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    I was and am horrible at math. I could try and try and try and never get above a D. I had tutoring in algebra before and after school, I took remedial math, etc. I was grounded, sent to my room, whupped, and had priviledges taken away. It didn't help, which was a crushing blow to my aspiration at the time to be a veterinarian and was difficult later when I got my GED. My graduating year was 1977. I got my GED in 1995. I got 97% and above on all the sections except the math section..where I got a just-barely-passing 65%. And I studied my fanny off, too!

    Now kids, don't try this at home, please. NOBODY is as bad at algebra as I am. Therefore, you have no excuse. But I dropped out of school half-way through my senior year because I couldn't pass a freshman math class. Couldn't graduate without it. I had more credits than I needed to graduate, just not the right ones.

    I did my best, I am bad at math, and no amount of horsewhipping or other forms of coersion is going to ever make me better than a low C or D student at it. April
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    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] ]Those of that have been there, say differently, my parents pushed, I got better.
    from what I read you weren't trying. that's different.
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    Quote[/b] ]Alpha jumped in with the talk about parents needing to justify their decisions. Thats what I was saying is totally wrong.
    Everyone should justify their decisions if you're punishing someone.
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    Quote[/b] ] I further am bothered by the fact that he so blatantly disrespects his parents in public making them look weak. Just my opinion though.
    that is just your opinion and nothing else. I think my parents are the best parents BECAUSE they admit their mistakes. You just can't see that because you don't trust your children to play a part in their future and feel the need for slave like obedience.
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    Quote[/b] ]However, as I said in my first post, I simply don't buy "I can't make a B into an A" FlytrapGurl seems to be a pretty intelligent young lady, and I am sure if she approached her teachers and asked where she can show improvement, or if there is a special extra credit project or something she can do, that she can eek out what I am sure are a few decimal points in her grade to tip her into the A's for those classes.
    I'm sure she and everyone can make better grades but punishing them is not the the best answer. people shouldn't make good grades to keep from being punished but because they want to. I love my parents because they respect and trust me and I want to make good grades because of myself and because they want me to, not because I'll be punished for not getting straight A's


    Parents/grandparents demanding perfectionism is ridiculous and unjust. You just do what you have to do to end that unjustice. I don't care who is doing the injustice. If I believed in god and I could change the way he was acting, then great I'd do that too. I don't respect my parents because they punish me for being bad, but because they admit they're wrong and don't punish me for making them see they are wrong.
    I don't trust myself to always make the right decisions, so why should I trust anyone else? because I'm afraid of bein punished? that is just wrong. They don't demand my brainless following of orders because I DO have a brain and they trust my intelligence enough to allow me to participate in the decision making because those decisions affect me.
    They also trust me to not disrespect them when there really is a reason for what they are doing. They also trust me to do my best in school without having to punish me to try.
    lack of trust? I say those people who have to demand the brainless following of orders are the ones who lack trust.
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    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] (aprilh @ Mar. 29 2005,9:13)]I was and am horrible at math. I could try and try and try and never get above a D. I had tutoring in algebra before and after school, I took remedial math, etc. I was grounded, sent to my room, whupped, and had priviledges taken away. It didn't help, which was a crushing blow to my aspiration at the time to be a veterinarian and was difficult later when I got my GED. My graduating year was 1977. I got my GED in 1995. I got 97% and above on all the sections except the math section..where I got a just-barely-passing 65%. And I studied my fanny off, too!

    Now kids, don't try this at home, please. NOBODY is as bad at algebra as I am. Therefore, you have no excuse. But I dropped out of school half-way through my senior year because I couldn't pass a freshman math class. Couldn't graduate without it. I had more credits than I needed to graduate, just not the right ones.

    I did my best, I am bad at math, and no amount of horsewhipping or other forms of coersion is going to ever make me better than a low C or D student at it. April
    But math is SO incredibly logical! As long as you follow instructions, you get the same right answer 100 % of the time. Math is our friend - so I tell my unbelieving kids. They are just not "wired" for math - at least the oldest 3. The last one is a nerd all the way, just like his mom and dad.

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    Alpha,
    Your parents don't have to justify an answer any more than a teacher does. If your teacher says "Sit down" then you sit down or you will be disciplined. They don't have to give you a reason, it's because they are teaching you not the other way around. No, parents don't have to justify their decisions to you, maybe yours choose to but thats not the way the world works whether you like it or not. Your employer doesn't have to, your friends don't have to and your parents don't have to. Just like you don't have to justify you beleifs about religion. Your parents ALLOW you to have this idea that you automatically deserve these rights. I still don't see how your mom was wrong for telling that you have a curfew on the comp, something about discipline sounds good to me. If you think anyone but your parents are going to justify commands given to you, you are sadly mistaken. You are being setup for disapointment in life on your own. 75% of what you think and feel as a child/young teen is irrelevant as an adult. Ya see, if the lines between childhood and adulthood are blurred then where does adulthood start? If you get respect from day one then do you really mature? I don't think so, I think if you are given these thing for nothing then as an adult you will feel that you are owed these very things by others around you..................that ain't gonna happen. Your boss won't care what you feel you are entitled to. I dare ya to tell an employer that he/she needs to justify anything to you and you deserve respect because you were born. [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif[/img] [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif[/img]
    Whether or not you care who I am or what I know, I am telling you because I DO know, I have been a teen, I've demanded reasons and justifications from about every sort of authority you could imagine. It doesn't work, no-one owes you anything.

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    you do earn respect at birth, you are respected as a human being. Wan more? Earn it. It shouldnt be given to you just because you make a fuss
    that makes no logic

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    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] (Starman @ Mar. 29 2005,5:23)]
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    Quote[/b] (SarraceniaScott @ Mar. 29 2005,1:41)]
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    Quote[/b] (Starman @ Mar. 25 2005,5:15)]This isnt high enough for her grandparants, so they have only allowed her to watch the TV 3 hours a day and thye have banned her from the computer for a week
    I certainly hope you mean 3 hours a week, not 3 a day.
    no, 3 hours a day.......which isnt that much of a restriction but it means she will have to sacrifice some of her favorioute shows.
    Well, there's the problem right there. Nobody needs 3 hours of TV a day. To steal a little phrasing from Frank Herbert:

    I must not watch. TV is the mind-killer. TV is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
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    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] ]But math is SO incredibly logical! As long as you follow instructions, you get the same right answer 100 % of the time.
    I get math, it's the stupid mistakes that get me. That's the only reason why I get C's. because I make too many mistakes. I don't want to do stupid mistakes, I do try, but I make them.
    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] ]Your parents don't have to justify an answer any more than a teacher does. If your teacher says "Sit down" then you sit down or you will be disciplined. They don't have to give you a reason, it's because they are teaching you not the other way around. No, parents don't have to justify their decisions to you, maybe yours choose to but thats not the way the world works whether you like it or not
    I didn't say they needed to. I said they SHOULD, and mine do because they trust me. If you can't trust your kids and make them close minded by not needing to know why things are the way they are (even with orders) then that's not my problem, it's yours. Just because you were raised one way doesn't mean that it's the only way nor the best way.
    When I did that, everyone benefited. I benefited because I got a good hour and I didn't have to do everything I wanted to before ten, my mom benefited because I trust her more and I won't be mad at her, even my online friends can now be delighted by my presence longer (ROFLMAO!!!)

    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] ]If you think anyone but your parents are going to justify commands given to you, you are sadly mistaken
    nobody thinks that. Like I said, your parents and teachers are two totally different things. I consider my parents my friends too they're not my bosses. If they don't allow me to question them then they suck.
    I'm not stupid enough to not realize you act differently in different situations. I don't know if experience taught me that or my parents did.
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    Quote[/b] ]you do earn respect at birth, you are respected as a human being. Wan more? Earn it. It shouldnt be given to you just because you make a fuss
    this reminded me of something that really doesn't have anything to do with what we're talking about but it pisses me off so I'll say it.
    Parents CHOOSE to have kids, and you teach them how to be. it's your responsability how they end up (even that they ended up here) so don't complain.
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    Quote[/b] ]Well, there's the problem right there. Nobody needs 3 hours of TV a day
    it's not just tv, and it's not so much about not needing tv, it's about not needing the punishment.
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