he meant the people that live in that state, not specifically native americans.
he meant the people that live in that state, not specifically native americans.
well all I can say is that some people need to grow up and get a thicker skin. thats all.
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Actually I believe that he meant the people at the conference, some of whom happened to be Native Americans.Originally Posted by [b
I was born and raised in CO and lived there till I was 24 (I'm 27 now.) I met Bill Owens on a couple occasions (school related things) and he is actually a pretty laid back guy who is prone to using little sayings like that. At an assembly at my high school he even used the phrase "Neater than a skeeters tweeter" It is just the way Owens is and most Coloradans know that. In fact I personally think it is rather telling that it was a Californian group who made it an issue.
I would like to make one other comment here as well. I am slightly offended by the comment about how Native Americans like to point out their sovreign status as a ploy to get government handouts. My wife is a Native American, and as such a large portion of my in-laws are as well. I have visited with them and been to the "tribe" reunions and I can say with a lot of confidence that not all Native Americans are looking to exploit the government. And, truth be told, our culture did come over here, take their land, destroy their culture, screw them out of everything they own and then leave them with the s*** end of the stick so all things considered maybe they should get something for it. At the very least they should get respect of not being stuck with a stereotype. Like Bugweed said, they (like all of us) are human beings.
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The Tribal Nations in our area work with kids A LOT. We have numerous Pow Wows that families can attend for free and they always invite everyone to break bread with them. I have a photo of our beloved Tribal Chief with a few of our kids and I'm going to post it as a photo is truly worth a thousand words. He is a well loved man by everyone and his face tells all. I will never forget the day my littlest one reached out and felt all the wrinkles in his face. The Chief let him and stood patiently while his face was felt up by a curious 3 year old. He smiled and my kid giggled with glee. We have many diiferent groups of Native Americans who offer FREE workshops where children can create all types of wonderful Native American crafts. These completed projects hold prominent places on our bookshelves. I think the nicest crafts were the traditional toys that NA children played with. They make those too and even teach them how to play with them and then... they use them. The Native Americans are a very well respected and integral part of our community and the Story Teller is booked for months in advance. *Wanna see a group of kids shut up quick, put a story teller in front of them and they will sit spellbound. The story tellers really are that good. I also have to add that when our kids crossed over to Boy Scouts from Cub Scouts, each child who had earned the Arrow of Light received a hand crafted arrow of the finest quality. Now that's community! Thanks to Thundering Mountain in Zion Illinois which now has its own website for that one-
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Sadly, I think with any group of people there are always going to be a few bad eggs who want to practice "exploitation" tactics. It is a shame focus sometimes ends up on the minority particularly with all the good out there being spread around. And incidentally, I recall a speaker getting up and announcing to a large group that it was time to begin as "The Natives were getting restless" and everyone, Native Americans and non Native Americans, took the comment in the spirit in which it was intended so the tribal dances began.
Personally I think its easier to throw stones when you aren't on that side of the fence. While it may not make any sense to you, it might very well to them. I think its really hard to judge something like that...because I am not Native American/Indian.
I saw a talk show once on TV. It was talk show with Native Americans/Indians who came to explain things like this. You know how at some sports games people have the foam tomahawks and they wave them up and down while making an Indian-type chant? Well "people" got really peeved when Native American's protested that and wanted it stopped. That seemed pretty silly to "us"....what was the big deal about a foam tomahawk? Turns out in NA culture, the tomahawk is a religous symbol. Its very ceremonial and revered. Its holy. It would be the equivalent of a bunch of people waving foam crucifixes up and down at a sports game. Now...how long do you think that would last before there was public outcry of sacrilege of the cross?! I also found out that the word "squaw" was not a Native American word and does not mean "female Indian"...it was a word coined by "the white man" and its meaning is VERY VERY ugly. How many of you knew that? Probably to most of you, you figured a tomahawk is just a thing Indians whacked white men in the head with. To them, a tomahawk meant "life" through hunting and protection.
See...it all comes down to ignorance. Making judgements about actions when you don'tknow the full history or story. So...while, sure, that guy's comment seems like a pretty small thing....who am I to judge whether that should be offense or not to an entirely different culture?
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the natives here(lived on a Rez for all but 6 months of my life) in general are decent enough folk. my family has been in the area for most of a 90 years so i have cousins and "aunts& uncles" who are indian. however on the stealing of the land, i dont think they have a leg to stand on in that respect here as alot of them sold their land they owned here on the rez to us white folk now approx 1/3 the land on the rez isnt owned by the indians as that 1/3 thought beer money was more important(i am not exaggerating on this point anyone who thinks i am i invite to come spend a week with me and i will prove it). i watch ppl on wellfare go to the casinos EVERY week to spend their wellfare check and leave there kids home alone to fend for themselves with minimal to eat. i have heard 12 year old native girls say they cant wait to get pregnant and have a kid so they can get a check every month and not have to work for it. i have seen high school kids given a full ride through college say "to hell with work im going back to the Rez where i dont have to do anything".
sorry i mean no offence to you or your family Pyro but while there are some natives here i have a great deal of respect and admeration for, they are in the minority, way way in the minority. guess 23 years of watching ppl continually and predictably throw there lives down the tubes has jaded me a bit twords the present day native american culture. at least in my lil corner of the world.
Wow, thanks for your comments. I knew scalping was an out and out lie because Native Americans respect the human body but knew nothing about the Tomahawk.Originally Posted by [b
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