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    Quote[/b] (JB_OrchidGuy @ May 27 2005,1:13)]Even the lifers get the right to appeal their sentances. So they too are costing more than Death row because after all the appeals then they atill have to be cared for for life.
    Not quite. Most of the DP appeals are trying to turn the sentence into life, and due to the final nature of the punishment are somewhat more liberally granted.

    LWOP prisoners get far fewer appeals. The cost of a LWOP prisoner, including all legal fees, is far less than that of a DP prisoner.

    Honestly, the only true motive for the DP is revenge. And that should not be the basis of rule of law.
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    well, I don't currently have a fire arm in the home because my wife hasn't had a handgun safety course. What I do have is a louisville slugger with about 10 lbs of lead melted into the core. It may not have the reach of a pistol or shotgun, but it has more than a knife and in an apartment, that is plenty.

    As to my willingness to use lethal force on someone who has broken into my home and is threatening my family? In a heart beat. at 6'5 350 lbs, I will without hesitation make a 'dazing blow' to their torso, and then end their existence. It sounds horrible, but it is better than having a violent act wife.
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    SarraceniaScott I assume when you say DP you are refuring to due process. Am I not correct is saying all of them have the right to that? I;m not a lawer and never had to deal with one and never been arrested and don't plan on it. From my understanding all prisioner have the right to the same ammount of appeals? Am I inccorrect? Again i don't have any experiance so I don't know just going by what I assume to be correct.

    Ram I agree with you I will not hesitate to blugen someone to death with my fists if they break in while I am home. I have been looking forward to giving that a shot to be honest. I can't just go and start hitting someone for no good reason, but breaking into my home is a great reason. >;-D
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    JB, I think Scott may mean 'death penalty.'
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    Thanks Joe that makes sence now. DUH!!! I duno I may get motivated enough to do the research on which one costs the more moeny. I just don't agree with keeping someone alive just to keep them in jail, when we have hard working people who can't afford health insurance and can't get assistance not getting medical attention, but the prisioner who we keep locked up because they are no good to be let loose get their medical needs taken care of. Its just not right. My cousins father died from cancer because he couldn't go to the Dr because he didnt have any money. And when he finaly broke down and HAD to go they found our he had a broke hip that he was walking around on and lung cancer. The kind caused by asbestous. He couldnt go back to the hospital because he had a balance that he couldn't pay on. Well, because of that he is now dead. Yet we will lock up a good for nothing deadbeat for robbing someone and take care of his every need. I just don't think its right.
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    I'm sorry to hear about your uncle, JB. It's a shame that this country doesn't provide better health care for it's citizens. Unfortunately, the powers that be believe they have better uses for our tax money.
    Having lived in a third world country where bands of teenagers with axes and machetes come knocking at all hours, I am very quick to bristle at the notion of an intruder in my home. I would not hesitate to confront someone breaking in, if I felt it were a necessary risk. However, I've spent half of my life studying martial arts, to learn to assess those risks. It is for this reason that I do not own a gun; a gun turns any physical confrontation into a lethal one, very quickly. It doesn't matter if I'm holding the gun or the attacker.
    I do not want to come off anti-gun, as I feel that I have a rather neutral stance compared to most people. However, I am, most definitely, anti-pro-gun. The gun is not the first solution, nor is it the only solution. Many people in America are raised to think that having a gun is a great way to take control of a dangerous situation, and nothing could be further from the truth. A gun is a weapon of desperation; there is no such thing as shooting someone a little, or shooting them gently. The only time you really need something as powerfully violent as a gun is if you are assuredly facing up against someone with a gun.
    I choose to keep a shillelagh beside my bed for self-defense, and rather than have a gun, I've studied how to disarm an attacker with a gun. I can throw someone off me gently, and I can sprain their wrist to keep them from squeezing a trigger. Those same techniques with more force can become killing or breaking blows, just as effective as a bullet to the target area, but the decision is mine to make.
    But this begs the question - is someone breaking into your home to kill you? No. Do they want to use their gun? No. If a person wants your stuff, just give it to them. I, like Scott, see a lot of gun hobbyists, mostly teenage boys (hey, I won't be a teenager in three weeks, so nyah,) who are under the impression that making the decision to shoot is an easy one. I have never been in that situation myself, but I can tell you, deciding when to take a confrontation to the next level is NEVER easy. A criminal has already put their neck out and has more to loose than you do - whenever it's possible, don't force their hand by pulling your own gun.
    When I first moved to this town to go to school I spent a lot of time walking by myself at night, because I do not have a car. One night, I was walking home, and a man pulled a knife on me as I was cutting through a park. I know how to handle myself in such a situation, and was able to get him to the ground, but after it became clear that no one was coming to help me, I had to make a very difficult decision. After sitting there wrestling with this guy for what seemed like forever, I broke his knee so I could go find help. I would have never imagined that I would have to think about it, but it was a very difficult decision to make, despite the fact that that very man had a knife to my throat minutes before. When I returned with the police, they didn't find him.
    I still feel very guilty about doing it, but I had failed to choke him to incapacitate him for what seemed like much too long, and I didn't think that I could hold out longer. Remembering that moment makes me sick and upset, to this day. I know it wasn't my fault, and I know I was in the right, but seeing another human being in severe pain is a very shocking experience in any context. It's taken a lot of work for me just to get back on the mat and practice with my sparring partners. I cannot imagine the guilt I would feel having killed, or the horror of looking at someone I'd just shot. I hope it never has to happen, and to that end I study ways to end my physical conflicts without serious injury.
    Target practice with pictures of people you don't like is not going to prepare you for having to make that kind of decision. Marksmanship is an admirable skill in it's own right, but don't mistake it for critical thinking and willpower.
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    I cant believe so called 'great' people would willingly murder somebody.
    Its MURDER for god sake! KILLING somebody for taking something that belongs to you is a bit much, and the law wont care whether it was a burglar or not!
    I dont see how all of you could KILL somebody like that and live with yourselves for the rest of your life.
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    Well I did not expect quite the moral/ethical debate that this would create. All I was really doing was venting. But my 2 cents on this all:

    1) No, Tre, I do not think all of you are insane.

    2) I was serious when I said I would aim for the leg. I know a bullet in the leg is not going to put someone down for good (though a well placed shot to the knee works wonders, if a guy can not stand he can not do much.) I do not want someone dead for something as small as burglary but I dang well want fool-proof evidence that he was the one taking my stuff. If the bullet in someones leg matches one fired from my gun then you know they were shot with my gun when they were taking my stuff.

    3) As for the comment about not being able to tell what is going on in the dark at night-- These guys were burglarizing my house at 10:45 in the morning. Broad daylight, hard to miss that they were people we did not know.

    4) I had a long talk with the ADA. Accordig to her the reason there is no restitution is because ther were 3 guys involved and only this one was brought to court. Because of that she says they can not hold him accountable for all that was taken so I get screwed and he gets to wash his hands on the matter. If I had any say in the matter I would have demanded that the ADA not take the plea unless he roll over on his 2 friends and hold all 3 accountable for restitution. Unfortunatly since it was a State case I had no say in the matter. I am guessing that this same argument would hold up in a claims court.

    5) As for insurance, I have a $500 deductable so only $200 would be covered. And I wouls have to deal with a hiked rate if I filed and being a graduate student my annual income is tight enough already.

    6) Starman, I understand what you are saying and please do not take offense but until you have walked in my shoes you have no right to judge me. Before all this I was not a believer in vigilante justice. Now... well, I think it is pretty obvious that I would be willing to take matters into my own hands if need be. Besides, as I said above and in my earlier post, I never said I planned on killing anyone.

    7) Right after the burglary I broke a shovel while working in the yard. The handel has since been named the whoopass stick and it basically stays by my wife's side. It isn't a gun or a bat with 10lb of lead but I know that one square hit to the head will cause some damage. Right now I guess that will have to be good enough.

    I am sure there are other things here I wanted to address but I can not remember it all. Suffice to say, I was really just blowing off steam on the matter but I really do appreciate the support from all of you. [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/new/smile.gif[/img]
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