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Thread: Remember that medical marijuana debate awhile back

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    Why not throw 'em all in jail and let the federal government pay to feed, clothe and nurse all those sick people? That'll be great for the economy! Much better than having granny growing her own arthritis medicine.

    We could generate a new class of jobs: prison guard/nurses. Those kids running Abu Girab looked like a mighty caring bunch! Perfect for the job! [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/new/smile_n_32.gif[/img]

    Seriously though, Marijuana will NEVER be considered a legitimate drug. This is because to be a legitimate medicine that is of value to the drug companies (which means it is able to be patented) it must be at least 30% man made chemicals with rigid ability to control the quality. This is why the fake marijuana substitutes that are man made such as Marinol (I believe that's the name of it) are completely legal alternatives in pill form that are completely worthless according to test subjects and do not treat the symptoms the same as the "real thing".

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    Well, the issue addressed by the specific ruling was NOT whether weed should be legal....It was whether federal drug laws supercede state ones. Very different. One effects the other, but still different.

    As far as medical use of pot, I am in favor. Recreational, even, so long as it's tightly controlled. Like they do with alcohol & cigarettes.

    I've heard that (now Rainforrestguy will have to correct me here, if I'm wrong) weed (or Kola, as the natives call it) is the biggest cash crop of Hawaii, even though no one wants to admit it.
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    i'm 100% for medical and recreational legalization.
    it's just a plant. jeez.

    while we are at it, i think all natural drugs should be legalized such as opium and LSD.

    if people get messed up on anything then that's their problem AFAIK. Marijuana is safer than alcohol.

    just my opinions.

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    IIRC the reason Marinol doesnt always work is that it is basically just synthisized THC(the main thing that gets you high in marijuana), the plant itself has lots of chemicals other than just the THC, im thinking it is more than the THC that is helping with medical problems, there is either something ele or more likly iths the combined interactions of several different chemicals in the natural plant that is helping patients.

    speaking from personal experiance, i used to smoke pot(stress on used, havent touched the stuff in well over 3 years), i was a high school kid experimenting with a drug i deemed safe( IE no addictive properties, no halucinations, and i would be "sober" quicker than a bender on alcohol) as a side affect i had an easier time working at my job the next day even though the "high" was long gone. my doctor said i had growing pains in my knees, turns out i have lots and lots of spurs that keep growing but i didnt find that out until later. bottom line was the marijuana helped where drugs like aleve, Tylenol 3 and such didnt do much.

    fast forward to last fall, years after i quit smoking pot(Darla asked me to, took no effort on my part to give it up, she asked, i quit) anyways i go to the doc as i am sick of using perscription strength alieve and tylenol 3s to deal with the pain. i cant work on narcotics anyways as i have a low tolerance to them. my doc gives my Celebrex, works great but had one small side effect, now my knees like popping out of joint. they hyper extend backwards and sideways, no fun, lots of pain and im laid up for atleast 6 hours if not 2 days on a bad one. not to mention all the other side effects that are supposed to go along with the pill(possibale heart attacks ect.) im about ready to go back to smoking a joint before bed, it worked well and had less side effects.

    personally im with CNC, the pharmacuitical companies are against legalizing pot for medicinal on a federal level use cause it will allow individuals to medicate themselves outside of their products. its a loosing proposition for them and they have deep pockets to help prevent it
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    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] (JustLikeAPill @ June 07 2005,12:15)]i'm 100% for medical and recreational legalization.
    it's just a plant. jeez.

    while we are at it, i think all natural drugs should be legalized such as opium and LSD.

    if people get messed up on anything then that's their problem AFAIK. Marijuana is safer than alcohol.

    just my opinions.
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    I smoked pot for several years, take it from experience: if it's an everyday 'habit' it will do two things: rip your lungs apart as well as a cigarette and make you LAZY as hell (demotivational syndrome as they call it).
    Quite frankly though, I don't see why they just don't legalize it for recreational use: alcohol and tobacco are just as bad (if not worse). If people want to use it as a medication, whatever.
    As far as a REAL medication: if pot in it's smokable form had to live up to the same scrutiny as ANY FDA-approved medication it would fail, and fail hard, because of it's side effects. Probably pure THC also.

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    The reason I don't like the ruling by the Supreme Court is that they really strained to find reasoning why in this case federal law supercedes state law.

    What Justice Stevens cited in writing for the majority (it was a 6-3 decision) is that the Federal Government has authority because it involves "interstate commerce". Nevermind that the defendant grew her own plants for her own use, they pretend that interstate commerce is involved so they have authority. Note that in the old days, the Federal Government realized they didn't have authority over state law in these matters, so when they decided to ban alcohol during Prohibition, they had to pass a Constitutional ammendment to do it. Why not now? Because they just make up whatever they want.

    Medical marijuana laws have passed by large margins in every state that has put it to a vote. Because it makes sense. We live in a society where bored housewives are prescribed Oxycontin and Xanax every day and nobody blinks an eye, despite the fact that those are far more toxic and dangerous drugs than marijuana.

    Hopefully, the politicians will realize this is something that has popular support, and we'll get a federal law giving the authority back to the states. But I'm not holding my breath on that one. In the meantime, lets hope they don't start arresting people. The pot dispensaries in my city (there are a lot) are all operating normally.

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    StifflerMichael there are other ways to ingest pot other than smoking that work quite well. one way involves heating it to very high heat which vaporizes the marijuana but the active chemicals arent really affected, basically gets rid of the tar. the other is digesting it. the stomach acids dont seem to affect the active ingredients and your intestines absorb it, though it takes a larger dose through ingestion than through smoking.

    as to the "lazyness", i still had no problems working 8 hour days, week after week, so it must not affect everyone like this or it depends on your work ethic to start with. im just speaking from personal experiance. most of the ppl that i know/knew who smoked it that got lazy, were lazy to start with. those who smoked pot and had a good work ethic to start with never really go lazy except when "high", one joint before bed or in the evenings, the risidual efects carried over for my knees into the next day even though i was no longer "high". if i would have smoked before work i can see where lazyness problems could develop
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