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    lol Capslock while your points are technically true. in practice they arent. i have seen plenty of stories of teachers getting fired for discussing Christianity(its public funded and some idiot parents bring up idiotic lawsuits). on desicrating tohe Koran, look how much trouble a few soldiers have gotten into. and you tell me its not against the law? while it may not be writen as such they still get punished. i have seen all hell break loose for idea of burning the UN flag(i would torch it to if i had one) but burning the USA flag is freedom of speach(i believe it is)? what is written law and what makes it through the court room today are two completely different things.
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    oh and on the Ten Commandments, while i am not christian and i have serious problems with that religion. i would rather see the ten commandments displayed than alot of other stuff that is allowed. for the most part its ideals are spot on with or without christianity
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    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] ]If you decapitate a US contractor who is trying to rebuild your country,
    it is troubling. If you humiliate a detainee who is intent on killing
    you, it is criminal and you should go to jail?
    who is intent on killing you? says who? Yes if you do what they did then it's criminal and you SHOULD go to jail. Do you not think they should be punished?
    And c'mon, as if the US just let the terrorists who decapitate people walk around as if nothing had happened.
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    Rattler, while there may be individual cases that are wrongly handled, for the most part, the law is pretty clear. On the discussion of Christianity, we have to be careful to separate that from teaching Christianity. They are different, and the latter is specifically prohibited by the Constitution (teaching ANY religion is a violation. There is no law targeting Christianity specifically.) However, teaching about religions, including comparatively, is not prohibited. The priciple is clear: the government is to give no special sanction to any religion, or imply that any religion or religions are official. I'd like to see any links to cases where a teacher is fired just for discussing Christianity, and not for prosyletizing.

    The soldiers who got in trouble got in trouble for a lot more than desecrating the Koran. That was just a part of a whole prisoner abuse scandal, and the part about the Koran is more about how it inflames the whole Muslim world and is just unprofessional conduct.

    Finally, burning ANY flag is protected free speech. People can whine and complain all they want, but it is protected whether it's the UN flag, the flag of Japan, or the American flag. There is no double standard there.

    OH, and on the 10Cs; the main case involved Judge Roy Williams who deliberately posted them to assert Christian principles as the ones driving this country. This is specifically what is prohibited by the Consittution. Sure, some of them are universal principles that are contained in law, but there are also Commandments about having no God before the Christian God, no graven images, and worshipping idols. These things have no place in a secular society like the US.

    Again, there will be cases where people get it wrong, and go overboard, and generally screw it up. But these are the principles behind these policies, and they are good ones, imo.

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    actually it doesnt bug me all that much. i am all for equal rights until someone trys to take away mine. personally i would like to see stricter punishment for violent offenders in OUR prison systems. do you remember that Swede who was kidnapped over in Iraq and escaped awhile back? turns out he hired some bounty hunters to hunt down and.....um... punish those that captured him. last i heard 2 or 3 of the kidnappers had been "taken care of", alot of his country men are denouncing him, personally i think he has the right idea. as far as letting the animals that beheaded americans "run free" where did you get that info. i would love to see it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] ]while there may be individual cases that are wrongly handled........Again, there will be cases where people get it wrong, and go overboard, and generally screw it up. But these are the principles behind these policies, and they are good ones, imo.
    but if the law is clear why is this being allowed to happen? it shouldnt happen and that one of the main things thats wrong with our country. the courts take frivolous lawsuit serious and its wrecking things for the general public. athiest parents throwing fits and lawsuits around when religion is *DISCUSSED NOT TAUGHT* in a classroom setting. all these ppl hell bent on getting on TV or their names in the paper are destroying this country. the more i see the more i just want the government(local state AND especially federal) just to back off and let me live my life. i am not interested in their help in any way shape or form, they screw things up rather than makethem better
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    Could you provide any examples of the atheist parents throwing fits about religion being discussed?

    As far as I know, the most inflamatory case recently has been an atheist parent objecting that his daughter was compelled to recite an oath to God in the pledge.

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    im working on getting one of the newspapers done. if i have time after that but before i go home i will be happy to try and find it for you. i dont remember how recent it was though. wiether it was a couple months ago or longer.

    btw i dont get that argument either, no one says she has to believe it or even say it. she can keep her mouth closed during that portion of the pledge, unfortunatly i think that requires to much common sence which really seems to be lacking these days.
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