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  • #61
"If you burn the US Flag, it is freedom of speech but if you desecrate
the koran it is criminal."

The US flag is not a holy book. The Bible is. The Koran is. The Baghavad Ghita is. And the Torah.

Capslock, you're my hero.
 
  • #62
And also...if the Native American community hadn't been subjected to genocide, innumerable broken treaties, blankets purposefully loaded with smallpox virus and being kicked off their land and marched for hundreds miles into nowhere, dropping dead en masse on the way, while an american president (Jackson, I think) said "the only good indian is a dead indian", whilst having their culture completely destroyed, their children stolen from them and sent to "indian schools" to "whiten them up".....

The wholesale slaughter of the buffalo in the american west was not happenstance...the animals were killed and left to rot. It was designed to starve native americans off the land they had managed for eons so european squatters could take it over.  Quite insidious, and clever, no?  

I'd be willing to bet that before the first europeans came here..there were absolutely NO native americans on reservations. Let alone sitting around on reservations drinking, owning casinos, living on the dole and "enjoying" a huge un-employment rate, outdoor plumbing, and grinding poverty.  We reaped EXACTLY what we sowed in their case...and I don't mind the one thousandth of one cent of my tax dollar that goes to them.  I'd rather have it go to them, than say...for the purchase of another daisy cutter.
 
  • #63
about the native americans... I really can't talk about it since i don't know about reserves and stuff, but all the slaughter of buffalo and kicking them out and all that... well, I don't think people today should be privileged by what happened to their ancestors. That's not equality. I think there is even a trace of...for lack of a better word... stereotyping or something, because you are judging others according to their background and genes. They should be treated like other humans with no more or less privileges.
 
  • #64
April, put this in prospective, my ancestors trashed Britain, several times, they arent required to pay for the damage done generations ago. that whole consept is idiotic. heck im the third or fourth generation(depending which side of the family tree you follow) that has lived in this area. my great-great grandparents came here probably atleast full generation after the reservations were created. and we should still be paying for what happened after the civil war? i dont think so. the tribes here hold enough property and mineral rights and water rights and everything else they they should have more than enough resources to keep their heritage going for generations without out side help. if they want to do it great, im all for it, i grew up going to pow wows with my cousins. they were a great and nobel ppl, but they do not need to be subsidized by tax dollars. they have land, they have VALUABLE resources, tur them loose to do as they wish with what they have.
 
  • #65
you know, i auctually agree with you rattler.

it's just like that thing.. where you get a job based on your race... like a certain % of ppl have to be of a certain color.. i completely forget what it's called. anyway it's racist.
 
  • #66
I'm a good bit late into this.... yea oh well.

Anyway as for the reservations and such, I'm gonna agree with rattler. I mean if they want to be like those few Indians that really do want to live like their ansestors(sp) GREAT! I'm all for that, but the rest of them need to just get up, pick their butts off the couch and get a job. They are NOT handicapped! I don't care what color someone is, if they have the ability to work, they need to work, not live offa wellfare.
As for the actual reservations, I have no idea what they are actually like, and I think they ought to get rid of them. How many years has it been since the Indians actually lived like their ancestors? MANY years, and only a few of them do, and like rattler said, they aren't even on the reservations. Since they aren't gonna live like the government gave them chance to live, I think it's time to make them get with the times. They can respect their heritage and the such, but if they don't want to continue with it, then well... let them get with the times.

I hope none of this sounds racial or biased or any of that, I don't mean for it to read that way. I am somewhat in a hurry as I need to be mowing and not typing! LOL
 
  • #67
[b said:
Quote[/b] ] As for the actual reservations, I have no idea what they are actually like, and I think they ought to get rid of them



If u have no idea what there ike then you probablyt dont know the situation there or why there there or anything about them so dont pas sjsudement on things you dont know about instad of listening to people who jsut want it gon because you agree with them??



THERES NOT ENOUGH JOBS TO GO AROUND there, and thats the reason for the unemployment, and half of those jobs dont pay enough for them to get by on, and THATS why there so much poverty and unemployment. theres feirce competition for any job openings available but tehres just not enough. Also the education system in the resevation is totaly regulated by the goverment and the goverments underfunded that system for decades. in fact some of  cuts by the bush administration mend many rservation schools have to close because theres not enough money to operate them. thats how we fix the system - education-, but the goverments been throwing roadblocks in the way for many dacades, and not just with educaation

The areas wer epurposly put ona reas with little valubal minerals. Ill bet they didnt know about the oil on the resevations when they put them there or they would have moved them.  Theres a lot of beurocratic roadbloks that must be passed to set up a white-run buisness in the resevations but amny dont even bother, te just look elsewhere.

Not to mention getting rid of the reservsation means getting the natives and restrictions off the land thats rightfully theirs. this whole contenent was theirs untill WE tookit and if we got rid of the resevations, do yoy really think the natives would be given the land that the resevation was on? nope. Outside sorces would come in and take it. Some want that land and thats whe whole reason some (im not suggesting anoyne here dpes) want the reservations gone: to get the land. Most of thes epeople would be elegeble for welfare on or off the reservation: just because there concentrated there doesnt mean they all want to be on wlfare! indeen the vast majority want off, not to say on! But mayby some dont work because their traditiona way of life did not include having a paying job in the first place!? But most cant have a traditional way of life if they also want their families to live well in todays world.
 
  • #68
Well, I have to put my 2 cents in on the deal. I don't believe people should get special treatment for the doings of past generations. WE DIDN'T DO THOSE ACTS!!!! And the people who those acts were done to are no longer living. Those that were directly affected should be conpinsated, but we can't and shouldn't pay for the subsaquant(sp) generations. I for one am tired of footing the bill for ANYONE white, black, blue, green, indian what have you unless you are useing the money to get on your feet. If you need assistance to get on your feet while you are going to school to better yourself then great I will help you through, but if your working at McDonalds in order not to make to much money so you can get the fat foodstamp and welfare check to heck with you. I have seen people in line in front on me at the grocery store pay for a buggy FULL of groceries on an EBT(foodstamp) card and when I get out to my car they are loading up their mercedies. A nurse I work with has seen a group at a grocery store pay for 2 buggies worth of groceries on an ebt card only to load it in the back of their Lexus SUV. This doesn't seem right to me. I have a decent paying job I make 13.60 an hour base pay and I can't afford to buy a lexus. I have a house and two car payments and its hard. Yet some B****H who cannot go out and get a good paying job can afford to drive a lexus or mercedes and I'm paying for their food!!!!!! I drive a 98 Mercury Sable because its nice and in my PRICE range. So you tell me is there something wrong with that? April I respect your opinion, but why would you want to deprive our Army from its tools needed to protect you from the crazy's in the world? Granted helping the folks that need it is a good thing and should be done, but ALOT of those folks do choose to milk the system. I know of a lady that claims full disability because she has sezures. Well, ok she may have them, but its maybe ONCE a year. Nothing against folks with sezures, but some one once a year does not constitute full disability. Not in my book anyways. Again I say I'm for helping folks that need it just not the freeloaders that abuse it.
 
  • #69
agreed josh. sort of

i'm 1/16 cherokee. the rest is irish. if i can prove that i'm really part native american i can get tax breaks, money for college, and be able to do some "other" things legally. i don't consider that milking the system at all. do my parents need to get that break to pay for my college? no but why not take advantage of a good situation?

i do agree with you about lexus owners using foodstamps and all that. but the system isn't perfect. no system is.
 
  • #70
Well basicly i agree with that also. Actually the unemployment in reserves has caused a pretty big emmigration out to cities where the jobs are. Wich is good. There are inscentives for native americans to go to college. Thats also good, but if it gives them a unfair advantage over the averege joe (wich i dont beleive it does) that would be a problem. What i dont get is why native americans have one of the highest dropout rates (highscool and college alike) I mean, comeon! I dont understand why that is, but... *shugs* i dont like it.
 
  • #71
How is it not considered bias when a certain group of people are given incentives to go to college?  They have just as much of a chance to make good grades and take advantage of schollarships as I do.  Why should one group of people be given special privelages because of ethnicity?  Why can't the systems be given to those who earn it?  Those who make good grades and strive to better themselves instead of giving someone something because of their ethnicity and them squander it away.  I have to earn my scholership money.  I don't get it because I'm this that and the other.  Please don't get me wrong I don't want to hold anyone back, but why is one group allowed special privledges over others??  I can understand native americans being able to do peotie(sp) because it was part of their religion way before it was made illegal, and weed for the rastafarians, but why do indians get to have tax breaks?  They live here they are using the system.  I duno.  Like I said I am all about helping people out when they need it, but why do we have to set out more help or different help for a certain group of people, be it whites blacks, blues or greens.  If its suposed to be about equality then things need to be leveled out.  You can't make it equal by giving special privadges to certain groups and not to others.  You shouldn't be able to have affirmative action and give a job to someone because on ethnicity not job performance.  You shouldn't hold a person back because there is already to many "whites" in the job now we must hire a minority.  Even though the "white" was more qualified we still have to hire the minority.  Getting the job should be based on job performance and not enthnicity.  My father was passed up for promotion many times in the military because of affirmative action only for a minority to get the promotion and be dumber than a box of rocks.  Please don't take my comments as racest because they are not ment to be that way.  I believe in equality, affirmative action and special treatment to a certain group of people do not constitute equality in my book.  EVERYONE should have just as many chances.
 
  • #72
[b said:
Quote[/b] ]How is it not considered bias when a certain group of people are given incentives to go to college?

I dont think anyone said that it wasnt considerd bais (no condescension intended, just an observation)
 
  • #73
i didn't say it was or wasn't. i said who wouldn't take advantage of a good situation?

and don't worry you dont sound racist in the least.
 
  • #74
[b said:
Quote[/b] ]be it whites blacks, blues or greens.

I thought I was the only one who saw the blue people....
 
  • #75
LOL  Well, you do have a point take advantage of it if its there.  I just don't think it should be.  Not if we want true equality.  And yes I do see the blue, and green people sometimes too.  LMAO
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  • #76
there used to be purple people but the Purple People Eater finished off the last of them years ago
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  • #77
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NO PURPLE PEOPLE?
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? NOOOOOOOOOOO I want my purple people!!!
 
  • #78
[b said:
Quote[/b] ] What i dont get is why native americans have one of the highest dropout rates (highscool and college alike)

this is actually really simple to answer. their parents dont care if they do well in school or even attend. lack of parental involvement is probably the number 1 reason if not the almost exclusive reason why drop out rates are so high. if you look at reasons for drop outs, and this goes for any racial group, not just native americans. lack of parental involvement will probably come up far far more often than anything else
 
  • #79
I didnt know that. How sad.
 
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