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    Move everyone into massive city systems (interconnected buildings a mile or two high) with suburbs, farms, etc radiating outward from them... connect them with elevated superhighways for moving goods around (or better yet, get flying vehicles off the ground)... and let the world rebuild itself in those three hundred mile spans between cities where not a soul can be found. If all the other species are stuck in certain ecological niches, we should be too. [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/new/smile_n_32.gif[/img]

    Whatever we do will be very expensive in the end. But the problem has already been more expensive than the solution if you factor in all the future reprecussions.

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    Ah ... the modernist city of Le Corbusier. The history of part of that movement is at http://www.open2.net/modernity/4_2_frame.htm. It had an enormous influence on the postwar development of communist bloc cities and on the construction of public housing here. Most people don't think of those with any fondness.

    I like a city full of 2-4 story buildings. It'll sprawl more than a city of mile high buildings, but the people are saner and it takes a fraction of the land US metropolises sprawl across.
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    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] ] If there is even one colony of one milimeter worms found, I'd say terraforming isn't worth it.
    personally I think our ecosystems are worth more than a million colonies of 1mm worms :P
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    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] ]personally I think our ecosystems are worth more than a million colonies of 1mm worms :P
    Well, if you think taking the many many years it'd take to terraforum Mars would be fast enough to save our ecosystems instead of working to save them (read: stop screwing them up,) then sure. Besides, just imagine the biological value of species completely foreign from this planet. But I suppose we don't need to go very far for unresearched life, we've got plenty of our own. In any case, with the subject at hand, I think that there's a general consensus that bringing in lions and elephants and so on is a bit silly...
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    Mars is probably already contaminated, unfortunately.

    http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn7745

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    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] ]Well, if you think taking the many many years it'd take to terraforum Mars would be fast enough to save our ecosystems instead of working to save them (read: stop screwing them up,) then sure.
    oh, of course I think we should save our ecosystems here, but if the terraforming was possible and stuff, I'd rather have a whole other planet full of our ecosystems than of a colony of 1mm worms... just in case. I care more about the thousands of species in ONE terrestrial ecosystem than 1mm worms :P
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    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] ]I care more about the thousands of species in ONE terrestrial ecosystem than 1mm worms :P
    Where there's a worm there's a way! Or something like that... The fact is that if evolution is doing it's thing on Mars, then I'd rather leave it be. If you find worms, then there needs to be some sort of predecessor, and odds are that things are going to keep evolving. Yes, I realize evolution takes place over a long time scale, but I just can't feel right (scientifically or morally) destroying their possabilities. What we could learn from one worm (or any other organism) from another planet could completely change the way we think of life. In any case at all, the way that we are treating our own planet doesn't make me feel confident that we could handle terraforuming and caring for a second planet which is even father out of our grasp. I think it's better to take care of our mess here than have our heads in the clouds dreaming of Mars saving our species. Fair enough, no?
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    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] ]well it doesn't look like we'll be seeing Mountain lions, or bears, or any of our own stuff being given a hand any time soon
    get your facts straight. grizzlys are federaly protected in the lower 48. California outlawed the hunting and harrassing of mountain lions (now the mountain lions are now eating the occational jogger and family pets on a regular basis) heck im getting reports of more and more mountain lions in my neck of the woods. wasnt 2 moths ago that 2 mountain bikers were stalked while out riding in the badlands on Makoshika State Park in western North Dakota. mountain lions(other than the subspecies of florida panther) are increasing in numbers and doing quite well. wolves were in the yellowstone area before the reintroduction on a limited basis and they go there through no help on our part. the hunting of any bear species and subspecies is very well controled throughout the USA and Canada. grizzlys(interior grizzlys) brown bears(coastal grizzlys) and black bears are not endangered in the slightest. neither are grey wolves or mountain lions. heck the occational jaguar is even being treed by mountain lion hunters using hounds in the south west. our mega preditors are making comebacks quite well where there is room for them and in the case of mountain lions they are coming back into areas such as the suburbs of Seattle, Portland, Sacramento ect.
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