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    well you have any good solutions Bruce? electric cars you have the same problem. you burn just as much energy charging the batteries, as you get from burning gas. you wind up burning about the same amount of fossil fuels if you go by the current energy plants we have. course if we start building more nuclear power plants than i guess the percentages will change. besides you can make ethanol off of wheat and barley too and given the bumber crops weve bee gettin up here the last few years the price for it aint that great anyways. its much cheaper to grow wheat and barley than corn and you have more options on areas you can actually grow it.
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    An obvious first step is to conserve energy. Trouble is people have sprawled out across the landscape in a way that requires huge amounts of energy to make things happen. When houses and cars are big and commutes are long, it takes a mind boggling amount of energy for the US to deliver workers to the workplace or shoppers to the stores. Before any actual production or distribution begins. That gratuitous waste of energy and landscape causes a lot of bad things and wars and disappearing Sarracenia habitat are just two. A new refinery, like a new lane on the interstate, will only make the problem worse in the future.

    Going back to our topic, we have a transportation system that strands tens of thousands of people as a storm approaches a major city. Professionals could have called the boss a couple days earlier to say they're leaving for a few days, just in case. But low paid service workers can't. Plus they can't afford hotels and buses and they have worry about leaving their possessions to be stolen.

    There isn't an outlying area anywhere in the country that's able and willing to take in a hundred thousand poor inner city residents. Even if the fleeing people were able to get to them. The most recent news I've heard said New Orleans was lucky this time, relatively speaking. Thankfully, because we'd have been completely unable to deal with a real crisis.
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    ok first the worst case senario given by jlap inst in my view the worst case senario, we are looking at a global catastrophy.

    just think, TOXIC POLUTION GOING DIRECTLY AT THE CARIBEAN OCEAN, THE LOCATION OF THE MOST DELECATE AND SECOND LARGEST CORAL REEF ON THE PLANET! AND EVEN WORST THINGS WILL HAPPEN TO THE FAUNA!

    for those of you who have white out get it and be prepared to white out the cute tiny penninsula sticking out of liousiana.


    for those of you who own a bike consider yourself lucky, because if that oil thingy breaks its going to be your best friend.


    death tolls are going to be monsterous, of coarse this is my view of the worst cace senario,



    it will only get worse as global warming cotinues.

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    Just my 2 cents...........
    When Willie Nelson brainstorms a cheaper more efficient fuel than the government's.....theres something wrong.
    Flat-out.......the government doesn't want a cheaper more efficient fuel. Like todays vehicles, it's just not profitable to make things efficient AND cheap.

    As for the hurricane,.......I've been wondering when it's the mid-continent's turn to be devastated over and over. The hurricanes keep coming and I wonder will something similar with tornados or whatever happen to the MidWest, etc...? It's like theres no end to hurricane season.

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    Hmmmmmmmmm........al this is reminding me of what happened up north in some islands of the west coast of scotland

    It was a period of extreme gales, down here in the south west where I live winds were blowing at around 55 mph, but in Scotland they were blowing at 120 mph.........as fast as any hurricane. Then on those islands off the west coast of scotland(they wernt shetland islands btw) one families house was getting battered by thw winds and they decided to cross the bridge connecting the two main islands to go and stay with friends and family untill the storm clears. But, as they were crossing the bridge a huge and extremely powerful gust of wind blew, destroyed the bridge in front of them and sent a big wave which washed the whole car into the sea.
    Then a few days later after desperate searching, two of the three children(I think it was three children) washed up on the shore, followed by their fathers body, then the third child, then a few days later their mother appeared on the shore aswell
    Never before for as long as I lived here has there been a tragedy like that

    And Im not looking forward to mid autumn, thats when all the remains of your hurricanes hit europe and cause massive gusts, last year it was particually bad at denmark.

    And yeah......global warming does have to be tackled, but that means that all the worlds major industrial nations will have to cooperate with each other, but the worlds worst polluter, the US, refused to sign up as George Bush said that it would be 'too much of a loss to the economy'
    Australia also refused to sign up and gave a similar reason
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    we should start a whole new thread for this discution.

    you know whats really funny about our current energy grid? i live exactly 45 miles from a hydroelectric dam. almost none of its electricity goes to local use. it is sold to California, Seattle ect by our government. my power is coming from a coal plant some 500 miles away. now aint that just a bit screwed up?
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    One word... thermal depolymerization... er... nevermind, the point is that this could be the way to go or at least worth looking into.

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    Back to New Orleans. Here are some updates:
    http://www.nola.com/newslog....#075474
    http://www.nola.com/newslog....#075463
    http://www.nola.com/newslog....#075459

    edit - It looks like you can see them all by reading deeper into the first.
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