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    first belief in a soul is an abstract thought, and although you attribute it to god you can not prove or disprove its existance. It is of the spritual nature. Some non-human animals, mainly chimps and i believe elphants?(not too sure on this one, i concentrate more on primates) have been shown to morn their dead and change their normal actions after a group member dies. This could be interpreted as belief in a soul or atleast abstract thought. Your evidence for a soul can not be the bible, koran, or any other holy book. Also you can not say that humans have soul because they can feel it, that is merely an emotional response to something, and therefore you can not rule out that other animals do not also feel this emotion.
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    Aretha Franklin - soul
    Jessica Simpson - no soul
    ape - ?
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    Hi, no i exactly dont mean that animals may not have souls, i dont get this from a religion this is basic, and no!, the soul and spiryt is not same, they are very diferent, u should look you plants closer [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/new/smile.gif[/img], the sould gives strengh, not physically is diferent, and more that anyting us would say this could become a pin ball game, i say someting u say someting, mean a never ending!!, we have a soul, spyrit, pisikic body,and the normal body, ting u must readmore abouth this is many info to just say it, and my english will make sometings dyfyculty to understhat, anyway, from many diferent religions, and view points we are not apes, but aswell u tink we are that, some1 tink we are not that, i must add, not all humans are he same, we, there are many genetycal things make us diferent, im sure us dont know... octopus are more smart that monkeys lol, well i tink we should finish this, anyway this will never end, u dont tink the same?

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    Nature has used nanoengineering to build a brain from a blueprint using methods and materials just as accessible to us, and there'll be a point in the future where we'll understand the "wiring" of the brain well enough to replicate it in a way that's biologically compatible (or even biological, but those materials are too slow and inefficient to be appealing).

    So there will be a point when damaged portions of your brain will be replacable by circuitry (and improvable, but that's a whole other discussion). It's irrelevant that this isn't possible at the moment... the fact that it's even just theoretically sound means that the implications need to be explored.

    So, if you were a resident of the future, and you decided to swap out 1% of your brain for electronics... would you still be you? Would you still have a soul? Would you even notice a difference? The brain would easily create new pathways to fix any broken connections, but I imagine the process would be gradual enough and in small enough pieces that there would be no significant interruption.

    Later on you decide to do it again. You swap out another 49% of your brain. The circuitry would be installed in ways that preserved the structure and connections of the neurons that were there before, and again the process would be gradual enough that the brain wouldn't notice anything had changed (if it could be done a neuron at a time, it might be seamless, since a neuron isn't firing unceasingly). So now half of your thinking is done by machinery. Are you still you? Do you still have a soul? Might you have "half" of a soul somehow?

    You finally decide to go all the way. Using the same gradual and exacting procedures, you lose your last bits of gray matter. Your identity is now living inside hardware. So who are you now? What are you? And how about the soul... still there?

    So this is the point where people might be bringing up cell memory or parts of the nervous system throughout the body where memories/identity might be distributed. And the fact that there's still a natural, fleshy, "God-given" part of you. Since you're tired of reading this at this point I'll jump to the part where the rest of the body needs to be (gradually) replaced and you're finally entirely synthetic. Have you now somehow "lost" your soul? You'd feel basically the same (if you went with technology that mirrored the original nervous system anyway)... shouldn't you at least notice a difference if your soul isn't there anymore? You're basically a human creation at this point. All of the natural-born parts of you are in the trash. You would be a mere copy if the identity hadn't gone through that gradual transitioning process into this new state.

    So it turns out your identity isn't, umm... meat-dependent. You have these human feelings (again, if the technology works that way) and human memories. You know who you are. But now you've discovered that all of that only exists as a pattern. Who you are is a self-sustaining bit of electrical organization.

    People who don't believe in a soul are saying, "Well, yeah, you were a machine before anyway. Just a carbon-based one." And people who do believe in a soul probably haven't revoked this poor individual's soul so far (if you have, I'd like to hear the reasoning, and exactly what the cut-off point was), so now there's this machine walking around with a soul... how did that happen?. He obviously has an identity at least... does identity come from the soul, or is it more like something you have than something you are? This machine in question has a more intact pattern than someone like Terri Schiavo, and people were quite adamant that she still had a soul. Does all this mean that machines that didn't used to be people can have souls too? Can a soul be attached to just an electrical pattern? Is the soul the electrical pattern? What if that pattern gets duplicated (an easy process in this context)... did the soul get copied? Can a pattern be altered enough to become a different soul? Can it get put back into a biological body? Someone else's biological body?

    It just goes on and on... (kinda like me). [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/new/smile_l_32.gif[/img]

    When you dig and dig and dig, you start to get the feeling that there are only two possibilities. Either nothing has a soul/spiritual existence... or everything does.

    (I'm in the "have a soul" camp by the way... which is why these questions are so interesting.)

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    Wow, I really shouldn't have read this.

    Too much confusion for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] (Windplant @ Aug. 30 2005,10:58)]Hi, no i exactly dont mean that animals may not have souls, i dont get this from a religion this is basic, and no!, the soul and spiryt is not same, they are very diferent, u should look you plants closer [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/new/smile.gif[/img], the sould gives strengh, not physically is diferent, and more that anyting us would say this could become a pin ball game, i say someting u say someting, mean a never ending!!, we have a soul, spyrit, pisikic body,and the normal body, ting u must readmore abouth this is many info to just say it, and my english will make sometings dyfyculty to understhat, anyway, from many diferent religions, and view points we are not apes, but aswell u tink we are that, some1 tink we are not that, i must add, not all humans are he same, we, there are many genetycal things make us diferent, im sure us dont know... octopus are more smart that monkeys lol, well i tink we should finish this, anyway this will never end, u dont tink the same?
    Well as a matter of fact, it has been proven that humans have a tail. And where is the tail? All thats left of it is a small stump of bone at the end of our backbone, this used to be our tail when we were apes(and the tail appears on an x ray if you have one done, and you can probably feel it if you prod in the right spot, so it is definetly there)

    And I think most humans dont want to accept or know that we were apes before. Everybody wants to think that 'God made us this way and we didnt evolve from anything'
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    to be honest, i believe we have an essence. not really a soul or spirit. i think it might be part of us but and the real us but is always there occupying the same space we do, but maybe on a different plane of existance? who knows. i am in no way religious, but i've had many spiritual encounters what with the development of AP. in the past few decades.

    very interesting read, endparenthesis. if you have a hammer and replace the metal head, then 10 years later replace the wooden handle, would it still be the same hammer? no.. it would be 2 parts of a new hammer.. or something.. it's 6:am and i havn't fed my caffein addiction yet... bye bye

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    Ok,

    I have read this entire thread, and I only have one thing to say

    I want that ten min. of my life BACK
    I always suspect everything could be a trap... thats why I'm still alive
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