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    No. I mean... like how they have nuclear power plants and the way those are constructed. Maybe you could have that same type of room where the reaction takes place, but instead you would flood the room with microwaves that would hit a ball of metal (the catalyst I guess), and as the microwaves hit the metal (aluminum), it would release energy that could be absorbed by panels on the walls of the room. I just don't know if it's possible, or how much energy could be made over the energy required for the reaction.

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    Hydrogen cars are not a thing of the future. They are a thing of now. What we need is people to buy and use them to show they are popular, reliable etc etc and get it to spread across the USA. Who can do this for all of us? Those people in California. A few months ago, i was researching hydrogen power and cars. When I came to a site of a company that sells hydrogen powered cars. Fords actually.... What about fill ups? Well acording to this site, there is currently 12 hydrogen fueling stations up and running in Cali. And many more are planned by the year 2010. Anyway, check out this site and learn some stuff... Oh and what about not buying a new can? Well acording to this site, to switch most current gas cars to hydrogen is a pretty simple solution. check it out... http://www.h2carco.com
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    OH here is a cool quote from the site "Once an engine has been designed to run on hydrogen, it can also run on other gaseous fuels with the addition of a variable gaseous fuel (VGF) sensor. HCC offers customers the option of adding the VGF to its vehicles thus allowing them to run on hydrogen and /or compressed natural gas (CNG) in any combination. The benifit of this technology is that the customer can use natrual gas if or when hydrogen is not available."



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    well if thats the case than it may be a more widely accepted alternitave. ive seen vehicles that run quite effectivly off propane and get better MPG than with gasoline. last time i bought propane it was only a lil ways over $1 a gallon. i think natural gas is about the same but im not sure.
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    Plus, that site says that 1 kilo of hyrogen has the same energy content as a gallon of gasoline, but hydrogen cars get about 3 times the miles per kilo. The current cost though, of hydrogen has great variation... from about $1 to $20 a kilo.

    I saw a list of other states that were ready to, or are currently adopting hydrogen filling stations but now i can't find it to list them.
    EDIT: Found the list "California, illinois, and new yourk have announced hydrogen highway/roadmap initiatives and many other states are poised to follow"

    I also read (CHECK THIS!) That there will be at home filling stations. Where you MAKE YOUR OWN HYDROGEN! Not have a tank filled.... MAKE YOUR OWN. Now THAT sounds cool!



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    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] (lol @ Aug. 30 2005,5:27)]No. I mean... like how they have nuclear power plants and the way those are constructed. Maybe you could have that same type of room where the reaction takes place, but instead you would flood the room with microwaves that would hit a ball of metal (the catalyst I guess), and as the microwaves hit the metal (aluminum), it would release energy that could be absorbed by panels on the walls of the room. I just don't know if it's possible, or how much energy could be made over the energy required for the reaction.
    Some have suggested geosynchronous satellites capturing solar energy, converting it to microwaves, and beaming them to a receiving station on earth. The antennae that receive the microwaves would convert them directly back to electricity. This is not unlike what you are seeing with aluminum foil in a microwave.
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    The US wastes too much energy to be able to replace any significant portion of it with anything else. And there's no free lunch. Yes, electricity splits water into hydrogen and oxygen. But you'll get less energy from hydrogen than you put into the electricity that started the process. The primary benefit of hydrogen powered cars is there'll be less pollution at the location of the car. The pollution is somewhere else - wherever it was emitted while generating the energy needed for hydrogen production.

    Nuclear power is only an option if the federal government shields industry from the potential liability. You might recall that you have to pay your own insurance bills. The nuclear power industry doesn't have to.
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    Bruce, I have found a PDF file "20 myths about hydrogen" and the one you bring up is very close to the top. You may view it at 20 hydrogen myths'
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    lol appears to be describing the Solar power satellite.

    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] ] --From Wikipedia-- A solar power satellite, or SPS, is a proposed satellite built in high Earth orbit that uses microwave power transmission to beam solar power to a very large antenna on Earth where it can be used in place of conventional power sources. The advantage to placing the solar collectors in space is the unobstructed view of the Sun, unaffected by the day/night cycle, weather, or seasons. However, the costs of construction are very high, so it is unlikely the SPS will be able to compete with conventional sources unless there is a big reduction in the costs associated with launching massive satellites into space, unless a space-based manufacturing industry develops and they can be built in orbit.
    Once again, I point out that Thermal Depolymerization already exists and has proven itself in its testing as a new source of oil. Really I don't see why the technology hasn't 't caught on as there's no catch.

    Anyone interested should also check out the Alternatives to oil page on Wikipedia.

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