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    i have grown tired of perlite as well but still use it once in a while. im a sand man now lol it is kind of a slow drainer for alot of my pots and find that the water tends to overflow in even moderate rainstorms. i have experimented with gravel but after a while it all manages to find its way to the bottom. i do have a few pots that i have put a perlite sand mix in but only mixed peat/perlite mix on bottom 1/2 to 3/4 and withe remaining i did a sand/peat mix. tonight is the first night it has rained in a while so i will see how it turned out.... kinda weird saying rained in november almost december when here in ny we usually have 2 foot on the ground by now.

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    @kulamauiman: Wow...that tutorial made me ashamed of the plastic terra cotta facsimiles that I was going to use...but it is the way to go!

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    For pots that small (7" deep) I would just use nothing but pure LFS..(Long Fiber Sphagnum)
    one "cube" of it from Home Depot or Lowes will fill 5 or 6 pots that size..

    No need for sand..no need for perlite..just use nothing but the LFS..it wont fall out the drainage hole on the bottom because it is plenty coarse enough to stay put...then water using "the tray method"..sit the pots in saucers of water..easy and effective..there is no need for anything more complicated than that.

    For larger mini-bogs, like this, where that much LFS isnt practical, I use pure peat to fill up the whole pot up to 1" or so from the surface..then use a 1" thick layer of LFS as a "top dressing"..for looks, but mainly to keep the rain from splashing around the pure peat..(pure peat has a fine consistency like mud..a heavy rain will splash it all over..pure LFS on top solves that problem)

    I tried a sand/peat mix once..hated it..it got really dense and heavy..IMO pure peat is much better than peat/sand..

    I also tried perlite once..hated it..its ugly, floats to the surface, and serves no useful purpose that I have ever seen..

    I have settled on only two media types..pure peat and pure LFS..I see no need for anything else, and for VFTs and Sarracenia, I will probably never use anything else..

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    Do you keep Dionaea that live in LFS in standing water? I read Dionaea usually prefers peat-based soil than LFS because of the 'dryer' peat avoids rot. For heavy pots, it could be a good idea to attach casters/wheels, making them mobile bogs? However, I'm not sure having a mobile bog or planter fashion justifies the cost of the casters/wheels. We currently use a handtruck for moving heavy plants (non-CPs).

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    Quote Originally Posted by fdfederation View Post
    Do you keep Dionaea that live in LFS in standing water?).
    Yes..not a problem.

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    I read Dionaea usually prefers peat-based soil than LFS because of the 'dryer' peat avoids rot. ?).
    I have never heard that..there is a ton of misinformation on the internet..peat is basically "rotted" LFS anyway! so peat is somehow less susceptible to rot? that makes no sense to me..and "dryer" also makes no sense when both are sitting in the same trays of water..both are equally wet..

    LFS is perfectly fine in trays of water..I re-pot once every 2 years, and have never seen "rotted" LFS before..peat also needs to be changed periodically..no matter what media you use, you should repot once a year or once every 2 years..I wouldnt go longer than that.

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    Sorry, I meant to say that I read that the rhizomes of Dionaea are more susceptible to rot in LFS because of the increased water content in LFS. I have also read that rhizome rot can be avoided if LFS is used in a mesh basket.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fdfederation View Post
    Sorry, I meant to say that I read that the rhizomes of Dionaea are more susceptible to rot in LFS because of the increased water content in LFS. I have also read that rhizome rot can be avoided if LFS is used in a mesh basket.
    I dont believe any of that..
    not sure where you read that, but as I said, there is a lot of misinformation, and myth, and superstition on the internet when it comes to growing CPs!

    I still dont understand how LFS can be "wetter" than pure peat, when using the same watering method..doesn't make any sense...and it probably doesn't make sense, because it simply isnt true! myth/legend/something..who knows how these things get started..

    and since when is wet media a concern in the first place?
    we are talking about VFTs..bog plants..they LIKE it wet!
    "too wet" is really difficult to achieve..maybe if you kept a really high water table for VFT's you could get "too wet"..but for LFS in a 7" tall pot sitting in a tray with 1 inch of water, it will never be too wet..it simply cant happen with that scenario..

    Wherever you read that, I wouldn't go there for ideas anymore..
    For what you are suggesting, small plastic pots, LFS is great..no problems..tried and true.

    People make things much more complicated than they need to be!
    (not referring to you personally Fed, im just talking about the wealth of needlessly complicated ideas out there)

    Scot

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    Dionaea are more susceptible to root rot that Sarracenia.. I'm pretty sure that's a known thing.. if not, I'm sorry; but mine definitely are.

    A very experienced flytrap grower once told me that Dionaea don't do well if kept too wet for too long, and benefit from the top drying out a little bit, aiming for moist soil, not wet in cultivation. This is true for me, but may not be true for someone else.. I believe that the venus flytrap can adapt to much more than we give 'em credit for.

    You might be surprised as to just how dry their natural habitat cab be, though. I've never seen for myself, but a forumer from another forum once posted about their trip to NC and couldn't believe how "dry" the site they saw actually was.

    good luck with the bog!

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