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    @Tony: I just looked up a GFCI breaker at Lowes: $40. Sounds like a worthy investment to me. I have limited experience with any electrical work, but I can't imagine replacing a non-GFCI breaker with a GFCI breaker can be very difficult. Would I be correct in assuming as much?

    I just noticed the only GFCI breaker Lowes is showing me is not the same type of breaker currently in the box. I haven't opened it up yet to check the amperage or anything, but the one in the box has got two switches and the one Lowes is showing me only has one. Hmmm.

    EDIT: Scratch the one-result issue on Lowes. Searching for "ground circuit interrupt breaker" produces many more results than just "gfci breaker".

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    Here is some good information on breaker types, models etc
    breaker info from HD

    Replacing them is not that hard no..once you get the correct breaker to match the one you are removing with respect to panel maker, amps etc. The ground fault breaker has an extra wire that gets hooked to the ground bar in the box. Other than that it is hooked up like a normal breaker.
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    *starts reading*

    Thank ya! I'm starting to think this thread may have to become its own entity and my picture thread will be separate. 'cause this is turning out to be pretty non-picturey, LOL! That's fine, though, I'll just see if Andy can't rename it for me. ^.^

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    A picture is worth a 1000 words ;> so more pictures are in order!
    Will keep an eye on the thread cuz I like projects! I am a big time DIYer and love to tinker with stuff. Any other questions just ask.
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    Well, after reading that page, I've surmised that the breaker currently in the box is a twin breaker. Two switches that are not connected and therefore, I assume, do not share a breaking mechanism. The page, however, lists those under single-pole breakers and not double-pole breakers. The breaker says on it that it's a 2-pole breaker. It also says double-pole breakers typically occupy two slots, but the one in there right now only occupies one. The description, basically, matches that of a single-pole breaker (according to the HD page), but it says on it that it's a dual-pole breaker. It also has two wires coming out of it, if that means anything. o.O

    Methinks I will just have to bring the breaker into Lowes with me and tell them I want to replace it with a GFCI breaker. Can I just cap the wires and flip the main breaker back on in safety? That way the house isn't without power for the who-knows-how-long I'm at Lowes. LOL. I'll be buying everything else I need for the project at the same time so I can 0%APR finance it all, yay. Speaking of the main breaker, is that the only safety precaution I need to take when removing the old breaker? Just turn the main breaker off, and I'm good?

    Thanks again, Tony, all your advice and input is greatly appreciated and will, with any luck, be put to good use. XP

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    Sounds like you have a duplex breaker.. 2 single pole breakers crammed into a slot that normally would fit one single pole breaker.
    duplex breaker

    They are independent of each other and not the same as a double pole breaker that has the two breaker switchs connected. They use those duplex breakers when they need more single pole breakers than the box can hold normally.

    Is that what you have?

    Turn off the main breaker. Remove the breaker from the box. Remove the black wire/s from the breaker and the breaker should be free (on a normal single pole breaker there will be a single black wire connecting to the breaker and that is all) There is no need to cap the wire that you remove from the side of the breaker (although if it makes you happy there is no harm in doing so). That is the wire that goes to the room circuit. Once you remove the breaker from the box there will be no power going to anything that was connected to it.
    Put the main breaker back on.. go reset digital clocks etc hehe The main danger zone inside a breaker box is the metal plate that is behind the breakers and has the metal tabs sticking up.. that is what is connected to the power lines via the main breaker.

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    AHH I just saw the other part of your question!

    Yes turn the main breaker off BUT and it's a big BUT.. The main power line is still HOT HOT HOT. Those the are the big honking cables that connect directly to the main breaker.. DOOOOOO NOOOOT touch!!
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    Nope, that doesn't look like what I have... I'll run and get a quick picture.

    Sorry it looks terrible, but here ya go:



    The particular breaker in question is the third from the bottom, but as you can see, they're all the same thing (not EVERY breaker, but all the ones in the picture).

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    Huh.. can't say I seen them before. Single slot though so it's only 120v. Looks like 2 independent 15A circuits in a single slot breaker but in a different orientation instead of side by side. Single set screw for the hot wires.. odd. Are they separated electrically from each other? Have you tried flipping off one side vs the other and testing outlets and lights etc to see if they control different circuits in the room?

    You are probably correct it might be simplest to take the breaker out and see if you can find a replacement that matches but is a GFI style instead. Might have to look for an electric supply store though for something like that.
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