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    looks like mine Jim...but mine is more red and white. beautiful colors! im actually thinking it might be a possiblity that it is S. x Wriglyana(sp?)
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    Alex -

    If the plant looks like the photos Jim has put up, then it's most likely a 'Dixie Lace.' However, if it really doesn't have the yellowish green background color in the pitcher tops and hoods, then you are probably dealing with a tissue cultured variety of S. x wrigleyana called S. 'Scarlet Belle.' It is very commonly available

    Take a look at my Scalet Belle order page at http://www.houstonherp.com/SxScarletBelle.htm
    and see if it resembles what you have.

    Hope this helps!
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    well thats what i have then Houstenherp. mine open lids though. ive only had one pitcher that didnt open. strange. but then again it could be due to some nosy fingers from my brothers... . its a beautiful plant though. can you tell me this....is there a diference between regular S. x Wrig and 'Scarlet Belle"?
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    Glider -

    Welllll - We'll have to get into some nomenclatural stuff here, but I'm an educator at heart!

    When you call something "Sarracenia x wrigleyana," this refers to ANY hybrid cross between a Sarracenia leucophylla and a Sarracenia psittacina. Take pollen from a leucophylla and use it to pollinate a psittacina flower, OR pollen from a psittacina and use it to pollinate a leucophylla flower, and all the offspring would be considered Sarracenia x wrigleyana, no matter how different they look!

    BTW - the 'x' in the middle of the name simply means 'hybrid,' so you could say that this name means "the Sarracenia hybrid named wrigleyana."

    Sarracenia 'Scarlet Belle' is a specific clone of Sarracenia x wrigleyana. ALL the 'Scarlet Belle' plants that you find out there are from the exact same parent plant, and they have been produced in bulk by tissue culture labs. Sometimes people find unique plants in nature and name them (this is the case with Sarracenia 'Leah Wilkerson,' a named variety of a naturally growing hybrid between S. flava and S. leucophylla). Sometimes people create manmade hybrids, and select the nicest of them to develop into named varieties (like S. 'Judith Hindle' or S. 'Dixie Lace').

    I hope this helped. I guess you could say that Sarracenia 'Scarlet Belle' is a Sarracenia x wrigleyana, but not all Sarracenia x wrigleyanas are Sarracenia 'Scarlet Belles'!!!
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    Thanks for that explination HoustonHerp. That cleared alot of things up for me.
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    Houstenherp: I know all about Cultivars and such...but how can you tell if it is 'Scarlet Belle' and not a S. Wrig with a more psittacina influence?
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    With many of these named cultivars, the only way to assure that you are getting the 'real deal' is to get the plant from a reputable source. With something like 'Scarlet Belle,' they are so commonly available that I can't imagine someone trying to pass off something else as 'Scarlet Belle.'

    Now if we were talking about a rare high dollar cultivar , something like S. 'Leah Wilkerson,' (at least from what I saw in the bidding wars during the NASC auction!) then I would be VERY careful of the source to ensure that you get what you pay for.

    BTW - the 'Scarlet Belle' plants in my outdoor bog are monsters...almost two feet across, with heads the size of golf balls. These make nice low-growing additions to a backyard bog!

    Good growing!
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    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] (Houstonherp @ July 29 2006,10:23)]With many of these named cultivars, the only way to assure that you are getting the 'real deal' is to get the plant from a reputable source. With something like 'Scarlet Belle,' they are so commonly available that I can't imagine someone trying to pass off something else as 'Scarlet Belle.'

    Now if we were talking about a rare high dollar cultivar , something like S. 'Leah Wilkerson,' (at least from what I saw in the bidding wars during the NASC auction!) then I would be VERY careful of the source to ensure that you get what you pay for.

    BTW - the 'Scarlet Belle' plants in my outdoor bog are monsters...almost two feet across, with heads the size of golf balls. These make nice low-growing additions to a backyard bog!

    Good growing!
    Awesome! mine now has 2 growth points and the largest one is about 5in across.
    Alex
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