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    It's alabamensis.

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    alabamensis?

    anyways. my rubra from lowes are just the plain rubra ssp rubra.

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    I believe Griffin is correct, the AgriStarts line of rubra is reported to be an alabamensis.
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    but that would make it HIGHLY illegal though wouldnt it? so what i have is rubra ssp alabamensis?!
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    I am not sure what the legal status of them is. A bunch of the mass market pings are lusitanica which is also protected and a good number of the AS purps are montana... IIRC there was a really long thread discussing this a couple years ago. Might try searching for it and seeing what the end result of all the talk was.
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    The easiest solution would be to contact AgrStarts3.

    Perhaps they have a permit since the plants are being propagated through tissue culture and the original plants may have been collect prior to the Endangered Species Act. Exceptions are permitted under Section 10 of the ESA. It's the ESA that prohibits interstate transportation and sales within the US.

    After all the mass propagation of these plants could be argued to be conservation.

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    SEC. 10.
    (a) PERMITS.—(1) The Secretary may permit, under such terms and conditions
    as he shall prescribe—
    (A) any act otherwise prohibited by section 9 for scientific purposes or to enhance
    the propagation or survival of the affected species, including, but not limited
    to, acts necessary for the establishment and maintenance of experimental
    populations pursuant to subsection (j); or

    (j) EXPERIMENTAL POPULATIONS.—(1) For purposes of this subsection, the term “experimental population” means any population (including any offspring arising solely
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    I also thought some were supposedly P. ionantha also, but I am just going by memory.

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    I am not sure what the legal status of them is. A bunch of the mass market pings are lusitanica which is also protected and a good number of the AS purps are montana... IIRC there was a really long thread discussing this a couple years ago. Might try searching for it and seeing what the end result of all the talk was.

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    Every rubra that I ever got from Lowes was of the rubra ssp. rubra variety. I wouldn't think that CITES plants would be showing up in big box stores. Could be wrong, but it's very doubtful.

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