thanks for the clarification rattler. so i should be looking out for tubers.
for the most part but at certain times my various orchidioides didnt have tubers which always worried the heck out of me cause should they crash while there are no tubers your likely screwed......not sure exactly what triggers tuber development and what makes them stay around and occasionally disappear....has to be some sort of seasonal type clue cause i could never nail it down to the amount moisture.....if yah find tubers its a pretty sure sign but lack of them doesnt mean its not for sure......
flower and trap morphology are about the only set in stone ways to tell for sure.......which sucks at times i know but it is what it is.....
Oh yeah DD is legit? That makes me happy!
I've never had U. longifolia bloom yet even though it grows easily enough, so I dunno what my chances are with this one!
Last edited by Joseph Clemens; 12-20-2010 at 12:41 AM. Reason: Nomenclature adjustment
@swords: oh yeah, the guy's a pretty prominent in the ICPS community, and has connections with people like Allen Lowrie. he specializes in Stylidium (dern) but im sure he wouldnt stake his reputation by giving out the wrong plants.
I believe Utricularia nephrophylla is the most likely assessment.
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@tamlin: thanks for your input---unfortunately, i do not think the plant i have in question is U. nephrophylla, the reason being that ii have a culture of U. nephrophylla as well in my collection. the leaves of U. nephrophylla are much MUCH smaller than the plant i have in question.
@swords: found out that DD's U. quelchii may have originated from the person that i originally purchased from--however, DD also sells tubers of the plant, from which i understand, only orchidioides Utrics produce, so my original plant may very well be U. quelchii. however right now it's behaving in a manner that screams U. tricolor to me.
Maybe you could ask the owner of this site, he has 3 varieties.
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The leaves on the left are thicker & darker green (similar to those in pics shared by Av). The ones on the right are much lighter in color & more variable in shape. The ones on the right also have a more extensive underground stolon network than the ones on the left.
Question #2 - I don't know (having not raised an immature plant to adulthood) but I've got to believe that it would highly depend on the conditions. Some idea could probably be inferred from Rattler's recent U. alpina 'Pittier moon' flower experience.
Question #3 - I believe that you can see various growth stages in pics from Bob Z's photofinder.
@Taliesin-DS - I believe that Nicole is a 'she'.
In adding some U. quelchii clones to my collection - it seems that I've also added two U. tricolor -looking plants from independent sources .... It'll be interesting to see how they develop.
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Please excuse the poor google Czech to English translation...
Underground shoots in small numbers , relatively thick , branched , to 20 cm long , 0.5 - 1 mm thick , sometimes ztlustlé at the base and the nodes, which produce spherical tubers up to 1 cm long .
Assimilation shoots number of thin ( 1 - more ) maturing on base or in some nodes of underground shoots . Are long petiolate , the blade is obovate with the wedge base and rounded top, up to 2 cm wide , about 1 mm thick , mnohonervá , kožovitá , total length 10 cm.
Traps (vesicles) numerous relatively long vlásečnicových branched ends of underground shoots , round , 0.6 - 1 mm long , shortly pedunculated , the mouth of the basal two backward curved short šídlovitými growths .
All vegetative parts (except the leaf petiole and distal ) and growth of base more or less covered with a mixture of spherical and sedentary shortly conical glands .
Inflorescence erect , 7-20 cm long , peduncle conical rod , altissima , in upper arcade , a strong 0.5 to 1.2 mm .
Listen to adherent base , ovoid or narrowly ovoid with a blurred peak , 3-4 mm long .
Listénce narrowly ovate, as long or slightly longer than the bracts , based nesrostlé with prophyll .
Flowers 1 or 2 , kvění stems upright , oval in transverse section , 0.8 to 2.5 cm long .
Chalice mouth same , broadly ovate , 1 - 1.8 cm long , with a purple tinge of maturity .
Crown 3-4 cm long , much pink-red with yellow spot at base of lower lip . Upper lip broadly obovate with a rounded top , much shorter than calyx. Edge of lower lip transversely oval in outline , up to 4 inches wide with a rounded top. Edge of the floor a little backwater . Spurl šídlovitá from narrowly conical base with a blunt peak , more than the lower lip, the middle more or less strongly curved, the top ( peak ) Arcade 1.5 - 2 mm thick and in the direction of lower lip . curved rods , about 2.5 mm long , prašníková bush expressive . Ovary oval , shorter boom , the bottom tip of stigma shorter severed , the upper tip ( lobe ) less trojúhlý .
Capsule very broadly ovoid, nearly spherical, with indirect shuttle belly , approximately 6 mm long , the same firm texture and bursting blanitá single longitudinal slit .
Seeds numerous , closely spindle cone , about 0.8 mm long , the entire pollen always tetrádách
Taylor , Peter , The Genus Utricularia - and taxonomic Monograph , 1989
Last edited by Av8tor1; 08-24-2010 at 07:56 AM.
@RL: totally agree with you---you and av8tor are two examples of that i meant more along the lines of U. quelchii being circulated within the US and not from outside sources...
something that i observed about your U. quelchii : although the colors of the leaves may have changed, the leaves still exhibit that obovate shape whereas mine resembles along the lines of a obicular/reniform shape.
@av8tor: thanks a lot for that descriptor. --would have been a pain to buy that textbook...