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    Well I think Amphirion settled it with the wing thing

    I did think that the N. ventricosa Denver Clone was a good possibility
    http://pitcherplants.proboards.com/i...ay&thread=9556
    If it wasn't a N. ventricosa x burkei {or N. burkei x ventricosa}
    But after going back & looking at the pics again No Wings / That I can see

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    Although some don't totally have "Wings" there is still somewhat of a small ridge? / It's not totally smooth
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    But take into account that there are very few of the true N. burkei out there....
    most are just N. ventricosa or N. ventricosa hybrids
    having a couple of small wings really doesn't prove much of anything, as N. ventricosa is highly variable and i have seen them with wings...
    it all varies from clone to clone, and everyones set of conditions...
    it very well may be "N. ventricosa x burkei" but i definitely see a severe lack N. burkei characteristics to call it the species.
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    i dunno Kris, Mitch Davis's N. ventricosa "Denver" appears to be absent of wings as well...and i havent seen species ventricosa with wings except when seedlings or very young. regardless, i believe the plant in question is one of hybrid origin and not a true species.

    just like in the case of N. burkei, there can be many individual "N. ventricosa" that are in reality N. ventricosa x (x ventrata), or N. ventricosa x (ventricosa x (x ventrata) so on and so forth... N. ventricosa, N. x ventrata and N. alata have been in cultivation for so long, it should be expected that we should have many backcrosses of these species. and what's to say we don't have a N. burkei x (ventricosa x (x ventrata) as well? or even a [Edit: Since N. x ventrata is a nothospecies its name is written with an "x", so the following species formula is not correct -->] N. burkei x (ventricosa x (x ventrata) x (ventricosa x (x ventrata)? bagh....

    genetic sequencing for verification anyone? lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by DETHCHEEZ View Post
    The main reason I'm trying to find out is that I have rooted cuttings & would like to be 100% sure before offering any / Would hate to offer something with the wrong ID.
    Without knowing the history of the plant with any certainty, you can't be 100% certain about it's parentage (imho). When trading, include a link to this thread...

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    Dethcheez, your unknown looks like my supposed N. burkei which is pictured in the N. ventricosa "Denver" thread you posted. Mine was sold as a seed grown N. burkei and was pretty big when I got it. I believe it is one of BE's releases.
    Last edited by Joseph Clemens; 01-25-2011 at 05:13 PM. Reason: Nomenclature adjustment - remember, "binomial", plant names are binomial
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