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    Ping #2 is definitely a P. gigantea.

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    I agree. I'm thinking, now with some direction and further research, that it is almost undoubtedly P. gigantea.
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    Nep #4 is N. (x ventrata) x alata. but sometimes the label says just plain 'alata' (witch is wrong)

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidgreen View Post
    Nep #4 is N. (x ventrata) x alata. but sometimes the label says just plain 'alata' (witch is wrong)
    I have been thinking that it was just a N. ventrata, as others have said also. I am however no where even close to good at IDing Neps, especially when it comes to the differences between ventrata and ventricosa. I have about 8 Death Cube rescues that are doing phenomenal, I had always thought that they were ventricosa, but they may be petiolated. I am starting to believe that I may have never seen a true ventricosa.

    Anyway, the main reason for my banter here is to ask what it is that you see that leads you to believe that it is N. (x ventrata) x alata. That would explain why it looks so much different then two other plants that I know to be ventrata. Is it because of the way that the plant is vining, more like an alata? I appreciate all of your help. If I come off as questioning your input please understand that when it comes to taxonomy I become very focused and want to know what to look for when IDing. I know that MANY hybrids will manifest close to the same. Only someone with a good eye can see minute differences.

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    The plant commonly sold in home centers and nurseries etc etc by Deroose and labeled as N. alata is N. Ventrata It is NOT N. Ventrata x alata, which is baloney and started by someone on an online forum.
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    So the Nep#4 is just N. ventrata? Do you have any input on any of the other Neps?
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    For #4 I think it's safe to simply call it N. Ventrata yes, and change the tag. Based on your info it is clearly the Deroose plant. Sometime you can ID other unknowns with certainty based on background info and what they look like. In many cases you can't in which case you should never simply relabel it with a new name. There should be some note on the label to that effect. Something along the line of "unknown, possible:____________" that way there is no confusion and stuff doesn't start getting handed from one grower to another with a dubious name.

    #1 I think looks alot like N. alata
    #2 A hybrid with N. stenophylla perhaps with some N. maxima in it? Maybe when it has larger pitchers it might be easier to see what else could be in it.
    #3 N. veitchii or veitchii hybrid
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    It seems that Nep #2 is the stumper.

    #1 the consensus is N. alata
    #3 the consensus is N. veitchii or a hybrid
    #4 the consensus is N. ventrata ( which is what I have had it labeled as)

    Anything that I am not pretty darn sure of the species or hybrid just gets labeled Nep #1, Nep #2, etc. and will not sell or trade with anything more than that designation.
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