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    Hi Trent, thats an interesting history of the hybrids. I think it just appears to have khasiana in it due to the operculum shape and the leaf shape. N. tobiaca looks like it has more of a lanced shape to the leaves. The leaves on elgeckos plant look just like khasiana and ventricosa, quite blunt and pretty wide, just the opposite of N. tobiaca's leaves.

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    I can see your point, Dustin, but it still does not look like the plants I've seen that are for sure khasiana x ventricosa, and I've seen a number of clones. Also, why call it tobaica if tobaica has nothing to do with it. I know khasiana is CITES Appendix I, and there may be a certain fear factor concerning shipping across international borders even if a hybrid includes the name "khasiana". So if you're gonna lie about it, pick something a little more romantic than tobaica. Even distillatoria would be better!
    Another pointer towards tobaica is this cute little hybrid's propensity for intermediate-highland growing conditions. They do not like south Florida summer heat, and we have to put them in the coolest spot in our greenhouse from June to Oct. We have this same problem with tobaica and ventricosa. Khasiana is a weed for us, as are its hybrids, thriving in extreme heat during the summer. In fact, it is one of the few species that can be grown outdoors in full sun in south Florida.
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    Wow. Glad I finally read this thread...I have that same plant, and I too was under the impression it was a tobiaca. I must say, though, I did have some doubt because the pitcher shape doesn't seem right.

    Is anyone familliar with how tollerant this one is to lower humidity? If it is, indeed, khasiana x ventricosa, one would assume it could be grown in fairly dry conditions (for a nep).



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    Trent, I'm holding my ground on my descision too! Well looks like we come down to two alternates..

    N. khasiana x ventricosa
    N. tobiaca x ventricosa

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    Thank for all the help with IDing this plant. The only one that knows what this plant is, is the plant. It has a hard time communicating with me.

    schloaty,
    I've been growing this plant inside my house since fall. It is hanging in a south, sliding glass door. The humidity in the house is usually around 10%. This plant and my Nepenthes 'ventrata', my only 2 neps, grow and pitcher in these conditions. (Also I was shocked when I had to move 1 of my cape sundews, about 2 months ago, from my terrarium and it has been growing great with low humidity.) They should be feeling some relief from the dry air in my house. 2 weeks ago I installed a humidifer on my furnace.


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    Dustin,
    How about (tobaica x khasiana)xventricosa. [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html312/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif[/img]

    Seriously, I agree about the lid and leaf width, but every primary khasiana hybrid I've seen gets large and leggy, and this thing stays small and compact. Unless there's a dwarf form of khasiana, some of the emmarenes I've seen have leaves longer than the diameter of these mystery hybrid plants. Khasiana gets big, and its a trait passed on in its hybrids.
    Maybe this hybrid is more complex than we're guessing.

    Trent

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    Lol Trent, lets not get too complex!

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    Cool

    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] (Trent @ Feb. 23 2004,09:13)]Dustin,
    How about (tobaica x khasiana)xventricosa. [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html312/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif[/img]

    Seriously, I agree about the lid and leaf width, but every primary khasiana hybrid I've seen gets large and leggy, and this thing stays small and compact. Unless there's a dwarf form of khasiana, some of the emmarenes I've seen have leaves longer than the diameter of these mystery hybrid plants. Khasiana gets big, and its a trait passed on in its hybrids.
    Maybe this hybrid is more complex than we're guessing.

    Trent
    I'm going to try and stay out of the general debate, but I thought it best to note that which parent donates the pollen and which the egg grately influences the final appearence of many Nepenthese hybreds. Also, it is not uncommon to bread a hybred back to one parent in order to increase the characteristics of that plant. In most plants, larger size is domenent over smaller, therefor, it is intirly likely that this is a second gen hybred selected for it's double set of smaller growth genes Just thought I'd offer up the data, I don't know if it usefull, but would explain a lot.
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