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    I don't think it's pure because the bulge in the middle/upper part of the pitcher. Maybe the occasional wild plant shows this but then wild populations are not 100% pure either. I would not consider a plant I found in the wild with such a noticeable bulge pure either. Just because it may be growing in a stand of the pure deal doesn't make it pure by default.

    I also would not label it as a pure species because unless I could verify 100% without a doubt that it was absolutely the correct label, it would be better to call it a hybrid and avoid any confusion or potentially spreading something that is not correctly labelled. It would be a much lesser error to call it a hybrid even if it is not than to call it a species when it is a hybrid.

    Perhaps your correct about 'Tarnok'. I have not done alot of research on it. Have it's chromosomes been counted to see how they differ from the type species? A plant does not necessarily have to have a differing number to have extra flower parts and may or may not show other differing characteristics in it's growth also.

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    looks like a judith hindle, or maybe Leucophylla x Oreophylla
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    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] (Tony Paroubek @ Mar. 21 2004,15:14)]I don't think it's pure because the bulge in the middle/upper part of the pitcher. Maybe the occasional wild plant shows this but then wild populations are not 100% pure either. I would not consider a plant I found in the wild with such a noticeable bulge pure either. Just because it may be growing in a stand of the pure deal doesn't make it pure by default.

    I also would not label it as a pure species because unless I could verify 100% without a doubt that it was absolutely the correct label, it would be better to call it a hybrid and avoid any confusion or potentially spreading something that is not correctly labelled. It would be a much lesser error to call it a hybrid even if it is not than to call it a species when it is a hybrid.

    Perhaps your correct about 'Tarnok'. I have not done alot of research on it. Have it's chromosomes been counted to see how they differ from the type species? A plant does not necessarily have to have a differing number to have extra flower parts and may or may not show other differing characteristics in it's growth also.

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    I agree on your points. I don't think Tarnok have extra chromosomes, but you can have the dna within a chromosome double up and give simmilar effects. To my knowledge, the most common(and only I heard of) way plants suddenly double petal numbers is with a chromosome duplication or a genetic duplication with in a chromosome.

    Now that I look a bit closer I could see it as being a really weird judith hindle, but if it were me I would wait to lable it till it flowerd.
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    In my opinion, it is a pure leuco. Probably the 'Tarnok' variety, since that's what PFT was giving in the grab bag sale.

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    I'm back, and I agree with Tony about the bulge, which implies some purp in the background. The 'tarnoks' are straighter and narrower. Right now we have about half a dozen Tarnoks in flower-big red-orange pom-poms!

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    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] (sarracenia @ Mar. 22 2004,07:22)]In my opinion, it is a pure leuco. Probably the 'Tarnok' variety, since that's what PFT was giving in the grab bag sale.
    yah, that was my origenal reasoning [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html312/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif[/img] I don't think PFT would get hybreds out of no where mixed in.
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    I agree that the coloration looks like Tarnok with that reddish brown veining. SF is growing these plants just a few miles from where I am located, here in Boca Raton. We are in a sub-tropical environment, and sometimes not the easiest for Sarrs. If he got the plant from **********s, then it could be a Tarnok. As far as I know, its the only leuco in tc that's commercially available (soon that will change). That one trap has got to be the fattest pitcher I have ever seen produced by a Tarnok. It's almost Judith Hindle in proportions!

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    nice plant!
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