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    Quote Originally Posted by RL7836 View Post
    Agree - that's also why I'm confused about the complete lack of people who set up U. humboldtii in a viewing tank & feed it small critters. The traps get around 0.25" - plenty big to watch stuff get eaten...

    Somehow, my deal to get daphnia fell through or I'd have posted pics ...
    I will do my best to ensure that Georgia gets such a tank!

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    Welcome Nat, it is nice to see a younger person taking an interest in Utrics. I thought it was only us old folks.

    I'd say at this point in time in the US U. quelchii is actually easier to find than a lot of the others listed. Depending on the orchids you have grown you may have already grown harder stuff think Lepanthes telipogoniflora or the like.

    We have stopped shipping for the winter but if you are still looking in the Spring send me a PM, I deflask a few orchid species every year so I generally have extra seedlings around to trade off. Depending on the day/week/month I may or may not check the forums, health reasons, I'm not ignoring anyone. So keep that in mind. Same thing if I type something that makes no sense, honestly it is clear in my head .

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    Quote Originally Posted by RL7836 View Post
    Sorry to be contrary (hey, we don't want to scare the guy away before he even settles in) , but this hasn't been my experience. While U. alpina is probably the most forgiving, U. quelchii grows as easily as most of the others in section Orchidioides (not including Iperua species). Ime, U. endresii may be a bit more fussy.
    And our resident Utric god has spoken! I've just heard quite a few reports of it being fussy and having a particular "goldilocks zone" of moisture/temperature that it likes. Perhaps not so much difficult as misunderstood?

    About the U. pubescens leaves, I looked at it right after I posted and it had made some significantly larger leaves!
    Still very cute; I wonder if there is a way to grow this with nelumbifolia for a peltate-leaf display.
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    Quote Originally Posted by w03 View Post
    And our resident Utric god has spoken!
    LOL - definitely not me - you're thinking about Pyro - he's the expert! (now if we could only get him back on the forums...)

    Quote Originally Posted by w03 View Post
    I've just heard quite a few reports of it being fussy and having a particular "goldilocks zone" of moisture/temperature that it likes. Perhaps not so much difficult as misunderstood?
    If you hear of folks having issues, send them over to the sticky utric thread (RSS just posted a link). I chatted w/ a grower last year who killed most of her Orchidioides & her alpina was barely alive. Turns out she was letting them sit in water & I suspect the media was getting anaerobic - not good. We've got examples of sitting in water & many species thriving (including campby & james) but less so when the media goes south. Some species like it - others don't. Collectively, the more we play around & experiment, the more we learn. Heck, U. humboldtii & reniformis (as well as praelonga & longifolia) have flowered on my windowsill. This year's tray/tub-grown rennie flowered all summer there - who would have figured?

    Quote Originally Posted by w03 View Post
    Still very cute; I wonder if there is a way to grow this with nelumbifolia for a peltate-leaf display.
    They'd probably grow well together, just don't expect to be able to easily separate them ...
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    Thanks for all the warm welcomes! Hi, Kevin.

    Quote Originally Posted by w03 View Post
    Welcome!

    Glad to hear that there's new growers interested in Utricularia - its not exactly an enormously popular genus. Your wishlist is going to be hard to find for sure.
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    If no one else gives some before then, I can probably give you some U. longifolia or U. calycifida 'Yog-Sothoth' in the spring. I'll also probably be giving away quite a few young Drosera binata once they grow out a bit.
    Heh, hard to find is at least some of what I enjoy about growing orchids-- the thrill of the hunt etc., though it certainly leads to frustration much of the time. Thanks for all the info about those species, definitely helps me narrow down what I should seek out first. Which sounds like probably NOT most of my prelim. list... I also appreciate the offer of longifolia and calycifida; both look awesome, are going on my revised interest list, and if I don't have them by spring I'll PM you my trade list.

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    Hmm, yes, I think I may have run into you on either OB, OT, or GW.

    Personally, I really like the flowers on Utrics. I do see where the lack of obvious traps can detract from their appeal to the masses.
    You do seem familiar... The flowers definitely appeal to me, and the vegetative parts of many species call to mind strange combinations of mosses and orchids, both of which I love. The fact that they take a proactive approach to nutrition is just icing on the cake.

    Quote Originally Posted by RL7836 View Post
    Agree - that's also why I'm confused about the complete lack of people who set up U. humboldtii in a viewing tank & feed it small critters. The traps get around 0.25" - plenty big to watch stuff get eaten...

    Somehow, my deal to get daphnia fell through or I'd have posted pics ...
    Wow, humboldtii is going on my list too, beautiful plant and my 5-year-old would love staring at a tank like that. Thanks for the pictures, info, and encouragement, your plants look amazingly happy. Clearly I've found a good place to set me on the Utricularia path; maybe my first step should be learning how to keep sphagnum mosses healthy and growing?

    Kevin, let me know when you set up your humboldtii tank, I'd love to help out to get a feel for things.

    Quote Originally Posted by RSS View Post
    Welcome Nat, it is nice to see a younger person taking an interest in Utrics. I thought it was only us old folks.

    I'd say at this point in time in the US U. quelchii is actually easier to find than a lot of the others listed. Depending on the orchids you have grown you may have already grown harder stuff think Lepanthes telipogoniflora or the like.

    We have stopped shipping for the winter but if you are still looking in the Spring send me a PM, I deflask a few orchid species every year so I generally have extra seedlings around to trade off. Depending on the day/week/month I may or may not check the forums, health reasons, I'm not ignoring anyone. So keep that in mind. Same thing if I type something that makes no sense, honestly it is clear in my head .

    Some light reading http://www.terraforums.com/forums/sh...amp-discussion , only 41 pages so far! 56K views WoW.
    Thanks for the link! As soon as I can put my school books down for a while I plan to put in some major Utric reading. I'll definitely PM you in the spring about trades, I think I got a nice Sarc. ceciliae seedling from you on another forum earlier this year. I have a fairly diverse orchid collection but not many difficult species at the moment, my current setup requires plants needing high humidity to also be highly eurythermic since that growing area can see temp extremes from 32-100 F (more typically 45-85 F) depending on time of year. Too many Bulbophyllums were not so tolerant, though on the bright side I'm doing better with Pleurothallids than ever before.

    And I know what you mean about clear in the head, no sense on the page. I cringe to think about all the garbled nonsense I've written in papers and exams over the last couple of years. Almost makes me feel sorry for the people who have to grade it...
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    Quote Originally Posted by gnathaniel View Post
    I also appreciate the offer of longifolia and calycifida; both look awesome, are going on my revised interest list, and if I don't have them by spring I'll PM you my trade list.
    No need for that - the community has helped me out a lot, and it's about time I gave back!

    (Also, I have 0 experience with orchids, and would most certainly kill whatever I received!)
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    Count me in for Sphagnum as well as Drosera plants and seeds. I have a few Utrics, but they're recently acquired and I can't split 'em yet. Feel free to drop by and I'll give you a crash course on what I do for them. I don't have the level of expertise that many here do, but the Utrics I have seem to be actively growing rather than declining. I have to learn fast, because a reseacher has approached me about doing some projects with Utrics! I'm going to eventually need to get a diverse collection from the different sections of the genus so that she can sample them.

    The cool thing is, not many of the Utrics are being grown in the south as far as I can tell. Summers may be difficult for some of the high-elevation species. This year should be a good learning experience for both of us! Glad you decided to extend your plant obsession to CPs, Nat!
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    Thanks, Kevin! My semester's done on the 15th so I'll be feeling a LOT more sane by the middle of next week, maybe I can stop by if you're around. I have a couple more orchids to bring you anyway.

    I think my prior problems with live sphagnum have mostly stemmed from two causes: hard/chlorinated water and excess drying, which combination few sphagnums withstand for long. I have a healthy remnant of an interesting little species, growing in a sealed bag for 2-3 years (!), from which I'll pinch and attempt a small fishbowl colony using distilled water. I'll try any other species you can sample out, too, I grow numerous non-sphagnum mosses decently well so if I try enough sphags I'll hopefully find one that likes my conditions.

    Re: highland species, I have some unimplemented ideas for orchids that I'd love to get your feedback on. Cool that you may get to do a work project with Utrics, I wonder if ABG has many in their collection? I need to get over there and meet some of the staff, I love that place anyway.
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