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    Selling oreophiila seeds across international borders without the proper paperwork is illegal; there is no doubt about that. If we put aside the strict legal question here for a moment, I would like to ask a ethical question.

    Since the person selling the seeds is in the Czech Republic, the likelihood of the seeds being poached is almost nil. That means what is likely is that this person, collected the seeds from his or her own plants. Since we can safely assume that the seeds are not poached, is it ethical to sell them? Is it ethical to buy them?

    Just wondering what people's thoughts are on this

    And for the record --- no I am not going to bid on them :-)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nikki630 View Post
    Selling oreophiila seeds across international borders without the proper paperwork is illegal; there is no doubt about that. If we put aside the strict legal question here for a moment, I would like to ask a ethical question.

    Since the person selling the seeds is in the Czech Republic, the likelihood of the seeds being poached is almost nil. That means what is likely is that this person, collected the seeds from his or her own plants. Since we can safely assume that the seeds are not poached, is it ethical to sell them? Is it ethical to buy them?

    Just wondering what people's thoughts are on this

    And for the record --- no I am not going to bid on them :-)
    It is ethical. It has no effect on wild populations.

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    I asked the Czech Republic seller if he had the CITES paperwork in order for me to import the seeds into the US.

    He (or she) responded that they do not ship these to the US, only within the EU. If permits are needed from his/her end it's an additional 30 euros. No specific mention of CITES.

    It is possible that these are being sold legally within CITES for the EU, which could be why the listed has not been pulled even after being reported.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nikki630 View Post
    Selling oreophiila seeds across international borders without the proper paperwork is illegal; there is no doubt about that. If we put aside the strict legal question here for a moment, I would like to ask a ethical question.

    Since the person selling the seeds is in the Czech Republic, the likelihood of the seeds being poached is almost nil. That means what is likely is that this person, collected the seeds from his or her own plants. Since we can safely assume that the seeds are not poached, is it ethical to sell them? Is it ethical to buy them?

    Just wondering what people's thoughts are on this

    And for the record --- no I am not going to bid on them :-)
    That's a completely irrelevant question. How could it possibly be unethical?

    Yes, it may be against the law, but that doesn't make it unethical. It just makes it against the law.
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    I wonder how many of the supposed oreophiila stock are actually at least partially hybrids... no easy way of telling with seeds though.
    that makes no logic

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    Quote Originally Posted by theyellowdart View Post
    That's a completely irrelevant question. How could it possibly be unethical?

    Yes, it may be against the law, but that doesn't make it unethical. It just makes it against the law.

    I actually agree with you. I see no ethical problem selling CITES protected seeds or plants that someone has grown themselves.

    However, there seemed to me that there was a certain outrage over the Ebay listing selling oreophilla seeds from the Czech Republic. I was curious if this outrage was ethical in nature or simply that people should not break the law.
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    Just to add a side-note here:

    It's spelled Sarracenia oreophila, not S. oreophilla, S. oreophylla, etc.

    Proof:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarracenia_oreophila
    Last edited by Clue; 10-17-2011 at 07:54 PM. Reason: Citing Wikipedia -- not proof. Oh well. I like to spell stuff correctly.
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    I am not up to speed on cites so forgive me. Is selling or even giving seed from cultivated endangered sarracenia illegal?

    I guess I thought it was just the plants. Seeds were OK if they were from a cultivated source. I have never looked at getting an oreophila.

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