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    And if the seeds are poached and not home grown as the seller claims how is that conservation? The seller makes no effort to distribute the seeds legally, nor to show that they were obtained legally.
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    No matter how you slice the pie, selling s. oerophila seed or plants worldwide, or across state/provincial lines, you have broken international law. Why you see this as a good thing, is beyond me. Money is NOT what these plants are about, and poaching plants for a profit is just plain criminal.
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    Auction over, zero bids. Ha Ha!
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    I'm not coaxing that person to break the law and see the sale as a bad thing, but not the worst thing for Sarracenias. There are plenty of oreophilas in captivity and the odds against those being poached seeds are astronomical. I'm glad there are plenty of people with seeds to spare and it helps reduce the poaching pressure. I wish that seller were like Bugweed and others here who aren't just looking to cash in on a harvest of seeds. But habitat loss is why oreophilas have so few places left to live, other than for pots in yards. Even if the last wild oreophila is lost to poaching, it'll be habitat loss that brought the species to that point and CITES does nothing about that.

    I won't deny there's a some devil's advocate in what I've written. A mob attack under the cover of reports to eBay does accomplish something, but it doesn't accomplish a lot. NASC's reaction to things like this eBay sale could be to try coaxing "offenders" into being part of our solution. It would have to be one person, representing everyone, who tries to make the contact and establish a dialogue. It might work, at least some of the time.
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    I hate to rain on the parade here, but I can tell you guys from "extensive experience": eBay will not pursue legal matters with items that specific laws in specific regions say is illegal. They will not do it. They will not release the information of their users to police for these things. They will not join you on your crusade.

    The best you can hope for is that they pull the auction in a timely manner, but all the seller needs to do is return with another account. I've seen it a million times in a million different ways.

    Reports them if it makes you feel better, or if it's just the right thing to do, but don't be too disappointed when they come back in a week. It will happen.

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    I don't think there are restiction on S. oerophila in Canada. So unless he has sent these seed across International borders he has done nothing wrong...

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    WEll it certainly isn't federally endangered up here since we don't HAVE it anywheres
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    CITES is an international Convention. Canada signed as a party to it so the laws apply within Canada as well.

    He has sold S. oreophila seeds internationally.

    Look at a previous auction of S. oreophila seeds by the same seller. The buyer sells CPs and seeds with item location listed as Castle Hayne, NC, United States.

    Here's another.. The buyer sells items from Broken Arrow, Oklahoma, United States
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