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    So go kill him then, or figure out where he got the seeds from and stake it out- tho if it's on his property, I would say that this thread is a good example of people haveing NO understanding of the separation between the letter and the spirit of the law.

    I hope that everyone here pushing for the harshest punishment has ALL the documents you'll need if the hammer ever falls on you.

    OH and our depertment of Fish and Game?? That's like 3 dudes covering the whole of Canada, and deals with fishing and hunting, so unless the guy is carrying an unauthorized firearm and or catching more walleyes than he's allowed OR driking in a boat, I dunno how effective that's gonna be
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    [QUOTE=Bugweed;816588]Especially Peter's prices at California Carnivores. nice plants, yes, but overpriced because of a dollar value placed on what should be available to everyone. So when you coax this guy to break the law, do it without me!!!!


    Hehe, like 60 bucks for an regular spotted N. ampullaria lmao. I almost crapped my pants

    Have you guys not seen my thread? How could you NOT want to protect This?

    I think these laws are stupid, too guys but for now they are the law and we have to respect that (Can you BELIEVE I said that about a law?!) These seeds may have come from his personal plant, but how do we know that wasn't poached? It may have come from the stand I took pictures of for all we know! The odds are stacked against these plants but why lower them even more by supporting people like this?

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    The laws are not perfect. The board members of the NASC will probably be the first ones to tell you that.

    However flaunting, disregarding, ignoring the laws or looking the other way is not going to change the laws. Nor will encouraging other to do so either. They can only be changed through education.
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    And though the NASC is moving slowly (we could use some forum members help!) it is intended to distribute all Federally endangered plants and seed within the USA for free for any looking for these plants. Why buy when the NASC will be doing distribution for free, while the non threatened plants are shipped for the price of postage?? Illegally collecting DOES NOT help the cause. Nor help grow a collection. Documents will be supplied to any growing NASC Federally Endangered plants to prove their legality and keep us legal and above board. I would not want to be in this guys shoes if they decide to press the point.
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    Oh, I think selling plants is sort of silly in many cases- I mean, it does take a bit of time and stuff, and if you really want to produce a huge amount, a fee is almost necessary if only to cover expenses incurred, but whatever- heck, some folks on the internet sell alll sorts of stuff that's free (once I found a site that sold crummy soundeffects for some stupid price, that's when I realized folks would try to seel ANYTHING if they think they can get away with it)

    For my personal sharing of stuff, I rarely even charge shipping (not like I'm sending out uber rare stuff but still) cos it just seems somehow "alien" to the whole process- only plant material I ever "charged" anyone for was seomthing I donated to the auction actually


    And CITES is an odd beast- I contacted the Canadian reps about bringin Cephs or Cephs parts into Canada across the border (they were CITES I think until 96 or something like that) and I had a long talk with the rep... I was told that something like say, Cephalotus is NOT on the "hot list" at the Canadian/US border, so no CITES permits would be required. The reasopn Cephs aren't a problem here?? they are in propagation enough that the liklihood of anyone travelling all the way to where they grow is too low to warant maintaining the "watch" here- it very well could be different in Australia, but since they aren't a NA species, it is not an issue here.

    He DID tell me that crtossing the border with ANY North American pitcher plant would likely bring problems tho, but I do believe that our provinces are differently set up than US states, he wasn't very clear at ALL on inter provincial traffic...

    Anyways, yeah, selling these seeds is goofy and against the Letter of the law, but I highly doubt that the spirit of the law is being broken, and that's my take, kinda Platonian
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bugweed View Post
    And though the NASC is moving slowly (we could use some forum members help!) it is intended to distribute all Federally endangered plants and seed within the USA for free for any looking for these plants. Why buy when the NASC will be doing distribution for free, while the non threatened plants are shipped for the price of postage?? Illegally collecting DOES NOT help the cause. Nor help grow a collection. Documents will be supplied to any growing NASC Federally Endangered plants to prove their legality and keep us legal and above board. I would not want to be in this guys shoes if they decide to press the point.
    Why not take it upon yourself as founder of the NASC to contact this person, explain who you are, and ask them if they are aware of what they are doing? If your aim is to educate, here's your perfect opportunity. If this person replies and his intentions are what you suspect, you can take whatever action you feel is appropriate.

    Even if they know what they're doing is illegal, this does not mean that they're deaf to reasoning. You might even be able to bargain with him to convince him to stop his practices. This guy is most likely out to make a profit, not to destroy a species.

    You might just teach him something he doesn't know, and you MIGHT just make a friend.

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    No one is ever out to destroy a species, it's ALWAYS about profit and that's the problem.

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    Propagatin plants to sell isn't against the law, and putting stupid prices on stuff isn't either, if the profit is your only complaint you live in the wrong country Clint

    Good Post, Jeztor, BTW
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