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    The Chair recognizes Jay has declined the nomination.
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    After reading through the long pages of posts I would like to voice my opinion.

    As a CP collector who likes to see plants in the wild and photograph and even take efforts at conservation.......

    I am SICKENED by the way the ICPS is reacting to this. I am agreeing with the people that are all for conservation. What is wrong with people nowadays? It all seems to revolve around money and your political/social position. Why don't people want to act? Sure laws may be broken but why not ALERT and educate more people on these plants. We have a huge community in the US and the other parts of the world that protect these plants every day, but still they are disappearing due to lack of funding or just the greed of more of that green paper. I still love to walk into the local mountains and be privledged to see a stand of lady slipper orchids and a bog full of Sarracenia on a warm spring day with the breeze blowing all around. But those areas turn into parking lots, wastelands and concrete fields that eventually become of no use to us.

    I am all for helping this project, and fueled by my might and pride I am all for saving our country's natural heritage without the "important" people or not!

    Stand together and save biodiversity!

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    NEp G,

    So far, the ICPS hasn't reacted at all. Mr. Mazur has not broached the topic formally to them. The ICPS will likely not address this, other than in their time and their space.

    This is not about the ICPS, and concept is not of necessity any concern of their's. The ICPS will act according to its own dictates in its own time and fashion. This assembly (if there is an assembly) will also address this issue should it not die a death of apathy here.

    In either case, we will at least provide a good inventory for whatever purpose the assembly determines is appropriate, including backing any sanctioned ICPS plan, if that is the will of the assembly.
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    I'm glad to see that the enthusiasm is back, along with the focus.
    When the time comes, I'd like to comment about seed production and polination of flowers. I think that there are a few things that might be considered, while trying to "preserve" the genetics.
    Back when the listserve was interesting, this very topic was discussed at length.
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    Although this has become a discussion of candidates, politics, and organizational philosophy (a worthwhile airing of views), I wonder about dividing a national collection among individuals, especially those in environments very different from the plants' source. This, by the way, is a question I've had about the ICPS' seedbank and S. alabamensis project.

    I think CP enthusiasts can have good intentions, be motivated and meticulous, but a neighborhood kid might have fun swapping tags in the pots. I have no doubt which of my plants are the ICPS S. alabamensis plants, but I don't have any S. rubras to confuse them with. And I know which one is from ICPS Location #3 because it's the furry one (OK, pubescent). So a label disaster isn't a concern for me. But what if I had 20 different S. rubras?

    Or an accidental pollination can happen. If I had another S. rubra and it accidentally contributed pollen to an S. alabamensis I pollinated, how would anyone know? I could take steps to prevent it, but accidents happen. Especially if we're relying on amateurs like me. Seed would go to the seedbank and I would say it is what I believed it to be. No one growing the seed would have any reason to doubt it, at least not for a long time. Maybe never. At least if the accidental pollination was by one of my Leucophyllas, the problem could be noticed eventually.

    The next issue is; what if I were growing a lot of ICPS Location #3 S. alabamensis plants here in CT and some don't survive the winter. I have just passed part of the natural diversity of S. alabamensis through the filter of a CT winter. Even if they all survive, some might have been injured or be slower to mature or produce less seed in the shorter growing season and cooler summer of CT. The pubescent pitcher on my particular #3 plant might be a sensible thing in the Alabama sun, but it just further reduces the limited sun available here. A non-pubescent #3 would probably be better adapted to CT. Clearly, I'm selecting for a subpopulation of S. alabamensis adapted for life in a pot in CT.
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    William, I understand completely and respect Carl with all respecs but I know we will get no backing from them. I'm not downing the ICPS but Iwant my kids to see wild Sarracenia.....as well as me myself! Are the big boys aware of this like D'amato, Dean Cook and of course PFT. My father has read through this and just can't belive that the states would allow this to happen and that none of the elder CP members whom have been in that for at least a decade don't have a real say in this.

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    As a "newbie with no credentials" [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html312/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif[/img] (lol, I'm glad to say that since it's a lot of fun getting just started with CPs, I can't wait for Spring....) I want to state my support for this National Sarracenia Collection. I am very excited about this and wish to help in any way I can.

    It has become my dream to eventually see a North American Carnivorous Plant Garden of some sort. So people from all over can view a representation of the beautiful plants in this country. With the installment of the NSC (or whatever it will be called) this dream of mine (and maybe some of yours) looks brighter. [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html312/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif[/img]

    Something needs to be done now to preserve our sarracenia so that future genreationscan visit a natural stand of pitcher plants (I still haven't been able to do that and it would be nice [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html312/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif[/img] )

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    Wrong Mijako 10, everyone of you has credentials, they're just new. Some are older, and some can hardly be read anymore, but whatever the case, you have a say, no matter what. Stick around and read on.
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