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    if that last post was directed at my "general location" comment, I apologize, I was more admitting that I had at least one I wasn't sure about and would never think of representing it as otherwise.
    I would like to help and to that end will wait to see if Carl Mazur indeed tries to head up a Canadian arm of this, he lives quite close to me and working with him would be fairly easy, plus I have a couple of "educational" contacts that may help spread the message locally at least
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    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] (Bugweed @ Feb. 27 2005,5:02)]Hello members and non-members! This is the President of the Conservancy here. Well, Barry Rice informed me some time ago that ABG probably would not allow us to grow ESA listed plants for them. Their concern, as I understand it, is their concerns over "backyard growers". They seem to think we can't do what we do because we are independant, and not a Botanical Garden. I know this is rubbish, but the powers that be are overly cautious, and costing themselves a valuable resource-------US!
    Hey Folks,

    I'd like to add a clarification here on what Bugweed wrote on 27 Feb. Maybe this just seems like a couple of silly subtleties, but the details are important.

    1)I certainly do not speak for ABG.

    2)What I meant to convey to Steve (Bugweed) is that as the NASC pursues its mission, the most strategic route (I think) would be for it to focus on all the Sarracenia except for those three species that are on the Endangered Species Act (S. oreophila, S. jonesii, S. alabamensis). That way, the NASC would be able to work on getting the bugs out of its system. In terms of ex situ conservation, you've still got many, many species, subspecies, varieties, and forms with the non-ESA species.

    Once you start dealing with the three ESA species, you are treading on ground in which you must carefully obey Federal laws, and because of so much mishandling in the past by hobbyists in this regard, various conservation organizations and Federal/State agencies will be much more likely to give you the hairy eye.

    So...why throw obstacles in your own path? Work the easy route for a while until you get your system down and work the kinks out. Get some fame, glory, and experience before you have to work on the hard projects like including the ESA species.

    That's what I mean to say. Now, the NASC can go in any direction it wants, and I say to it: "Good going, good growing, and good luck!" Follow your muse and inspiration. As the Director of Conservation for the ICPS, I encourage all CPers to have a conservation motive for their growing. It all helps.

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    I appreciate the clarification, Barry. Thank you. And that was why I said probably. Sound thinking though Barry, and it makes sense. What do the rest of you think? I think we should follow the advice myself.
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    Well,
    We do generally encourage people to first grow "easy" species before moving on to a challenge. Makes sense to do the same ourselves. [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/new/smile_m_32.gif[/img] Ya know what I mean!
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    If we make a mistake with one of the listed plants before we really get started, we could be shut down and never get going again.
    To put Barry's message in simple terms, we need to learn to walk before we run. Looking back the advice seems almost common sense. I agree with every thing he said.

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    I believe more of the common Sarracenia species are in more dire need than the ESA plants...I mean after all they are protected! I was once told by a fellow CPer that knows Sarracenia well, S. rubra alabamensis is doing well in the wild, poachers really don't know what to look for because of the unique habitat where the plants grow. Other plants that are in more accessable sites like S> flava most notably and S. leucophylla are very easy targets, for not only poachers but land development! I say help the common plants first. ESA can be left to the other folks.




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    I think that what's important is to have a large variety of locations for each species. If there were well-documented information for MANY clones of a species, representing as wide a span of its range as possible, that would be the most genetically valuable. Often, location-data-ed plants are interesting to someone and so the material is put in cultivation...we need good examples of the norm for many locations, not just a few exceptional individual plants.
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