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    Sorry Laura that was not the context I was looking for. Most of my post got deleted by mistake. Ah well I was talking about construction site owners. Although I guess you read the subtext.

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    Kirk's question has me thinking...

    We really should try to set up a network of experienced volunteers who can act on information to determine whether plants are really threatened and work with the owners/developers to allow people to rescue the plants (and do so in a manner so that ONLY those plants threatened are taken).

    This way, Kirk and others, would have a means to alert the right people, and know that appropriate action is taken. Somewhere along the line, the initial reporter should be brought into the loop, and, I hope, be allowed to assist in the actual rescue; s/he's not going to learn otherwise what the right way to do this is.
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    Good News, 0zzy is the head of Conservancy for the NASC. I think the Committee Chairs were somewhat sidetracked for a few weeks with the auction however your very suggestion has already been on the table and just such a network was already proposed which would include the original reporter of the site. Details forthcoming in the months to follow however I believe 0zzy is the member to contact regarding coordination of any "rescues".

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    Laura I'm not exactly sure how many people actually remember what the NASC stands for. I know I have enough problems with all the other Actronimes (sp?). You know all those. Actually I think I have most down just those long latin names like Utricularia chiribiquetensis or Utric. quinquedentatai I don't even think I could pronounce those if some one told me a dozen times (feel free to spell those out in phenetics for me though).

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    We (NASC) are working on setting up a network so that anybody can contact one of us and we will get the ball rolling. We have even discussed a plan that will allow a member of the NASC to have permissions and legal rights to rescue plants within hours or even minutes. Of course that will be for emergency situations only. Here is a combination of a plan I would like to set up and what has already been discussed.

    Our first priority is to keep as many plants on the original sites as possible. Removal of plants will be a last resort. To do this we need people find as many sites as they can and manage those sites. We need property owners permission to do this. So we will have to work with the property owners not against them. I plan to get a contract drawn up that will allow the person on the property, and just make sure that they plants stays healthy and monitor any threats. In this contract it will clearly state that the land owner is in control at all times, the land owner can at any time ask us to leave. That way the land owner never feels pressured. I think we can build relation ships with the owners and then gain their trust. If we do this we will in the end have more freedom to do as we please on their property.
    If we at any time find a threat to some plants on the property, we try to find a solution. As an example, I'll use a situation of a piece of land that I have found some D.brevifolia. It's a vegetable and fruit farm. There is an irrigation pond and a dirt road runs all the way around it. Around one corner is where the D.brevifolia grows. They grow from the pond to the edge of the road. A lot of them have been ran over because of trucks and equipment driving through the area. In this case I would go to the owner and ask if we could build a fence to protect them at our expense. If the answer is no, I would then ask if we can move the plants. D.brevifolia are almost impossible to relocate, it's just an example.
    If a member runs across a site with bulldozers on site, and there is no other options but to remove the plants, we will have a form already printed out and sent with the membership package. There will be a list of phone numbers of board members on the form. The NASC member will first call one of the board members and discuss the situation. If it is decided that the plants should be removed the member will try to get the person in charge of the construction to sign the form giving us permission to collect. If possible the form will be faxed to the board member, the board member will sign, and fax it back. If there are no fax machines nearby, the board member can give oral permission to collect and the sign the form later.
    If it is not an emergency situation but the site will be developed, we are thinking that we will get two board members to agree to collect and then sign it.

    These rules are not set in stone yet. They are just ideas for now. I welcome any ideas that anybody else has. If you have an idea either post it here or pm me.



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    Yeah that may make them grumpy, but they are grumpy any way, and it's better that they are just grumpy, then grumpy and broke.

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    Ozzy shouldn't you have posted that in the NASC forum thingy for consideration by everyone. Since I know not everyone is reading this thread.

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    North American Sarracenia Conservancy = NASC. NASC would be the acronym for this combination of words.

    I realize it has been a long time Tre however... the NASC is a fledgling and is dependent upon the collective gifts of time, talent, and resources of many members to get up and going. Please understand it is being fueled exclusively by volunteers. Volunteers are a priceless commodity in that without them, there would be no NASC. Volunteers are human beings though. They're a package deal and they come complete with all the responsibilities that being a member of the human race entails so the going can slow down in spots if members are pulled in too many directions. Not much more I have to offer but please be patient as things will magically come together one day. And someday that acronym will hopefully be known in all environmental and conservation circles. You'll see.

    edited to add that I just realized two other posts came in since I read Tre's regarding what NASC stood for. Oops. Seems as if this thread now feels out of context.

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    Ahh the C. is consevancy I thought so. Oh don't worry about the time Laura. It will probibly be a few years before I can significantly contribute as I have made at least 1 officer aware of. I don't mean to be critical or anything, this is very helpful and sueful that you are doing this. Perhaps you can make the Tampa Bay Area CP society members aware of this and explain how these CPs are saved. I think they will be shocked. Of course I am one of several people with a grudge against those.... so I leave all the word spreading up to you. If or rather when you make a lobby group for congress,as all successful enviromental groups must have, I would be happy to contribute to that or give advice, etc. I would suggest you look at the Nature Conservancy's set up because if you will want ot do this right all these autions and so on will contribute liquid funds that will be used to purchise and restore Cp habitat. If not you will have a wonderful saving expedition on your hands and not much else. In fact I do fear that the NASC will become what it is aimed to destroy. I fear this will become a way to take genetically distinct plants from the wild even parks and send them into cultivation. I would like to be realistic. This conservancy can be done just not without hard work (as you know). Websites, newsletters all that will have to be sent out or produced inorder to show how serious this organisation is. Starting it from a forum and any attempts to run it jsut htrough this forum will not succeed in what you want it to succeed at. I would advise you to spread the word now. I know Barry supports this and so I'm sure he could get your website a directlink off of the ICPS website. I read Ozzy's post carefully and I want to warn you now. Sending out those faxed things may be wonderful and happy and good but there will be people who will want to get plants who will use the name of this organisation to poach. I am patient and I will wait but I want to warn you to be careful and pick people wisely. You will have to start off with a loyal base of savers people who will not take advantage of the organisation. "Bad" people will get into the membership and possibly the committee. Which in itself I do not nessicarily think is a good thing. And this organisation if truely that serious will need to prepare itself to be handed over so to speak to the younger generation when their time comes. When all the current commitee is 85 or whatever I shouldn't expect it to still be incharge because face it not that many old people are traveling around much less fit to do rigorous hikes through bogs. Maintaining the bogs will be more problems. I know that less then 7 houses away from me S. minor grows. Our deveoplement's commitee would never let me or anyone else manage these area because they have "perfectly able" lawnmen who do so. Which consists of throwing more tinder in the woods to shade the S. minor.

    When I am able to help I will.

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