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    i said before i hadnt gotten mine large enough to flower, nor have i been particularaly trying to. so is that a challenge? i bet i can get mine to flower without a greenhouse and since i dont grow lowland neps i dont have a "perfect" enviroment to just toss them into. bet i can get it(all of 1 foot at the moment) to bloom in two years.

    i really dont care what the "experts" say as i can usually prove most wrong on one thing or another in their field anyways. i am no expert, have never claimed to be, and will never claim to be. i do stuff based on my personal observations, personal theories and by going with info that ppl have had good luck with their own personal experiments.

    7santiago, dont let this party pooper spoil your interest. get yourself and try growing it for yourself. it will do you very lil good to listen to these "experts" they dont live in your house do they? whos to say it wont do wonderfully and bloom? i wont say one way or another cause i am willing to admit i dont know how it will do for you, but i do know having a real interest in trying to grow it will get yah 90% of the way there.
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    FWIW I also have a vanilla and I have grown it indoors as well. It isn't huge yet but it has gone from 6" to 3' so I would say that is something. No special treatment either, just in a pot under ambient conditions.

    I hate to say it Dino but just because all the "experts" claim it can not be done does not make them right. Until a few years ago the entire CP community would have sworn up down and sideways that Neps could not be grown outside of greenhouses. And yet now we have people like Elgecko who are growing N. hamata like a house plant!!

    I am in full agreement with Rattler on this. There are two people saying that they are successfully growing vanilla inside and that the plants are not suffering (and we both have been growing plants long enough to know what a suffering plant looks like.) Are we two the end all and be all? Not by a long shot but neither are you. Someone asked if vanilla could be grown indoors and we told him that we were successful and to give it a shot. You are welcome to caution that you failed but you really can not go beyond that. It is not right to say that everyone who tries is going to fail and be miserable because you don't know that to be fact. I personally don't give a rip if my plant flowers or not, i grow it because I like growing it. Same reason I grow mango and avocado and sugar cane and pineapple and carombola. I don't expect to harvest any of them I just like to grow them. And maybe that is all this guy wants to do, just grow a vanilla and be happy to have it in his collection.

    So you have had your say and blasted us all with your proclimations dooming us all to failure and I think that is enough.
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    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] (rattler_mt @ Sep. 16 2005,3:43)]i said before i hadnt gotten mine large enough to flower, nor have i been particularaly trying to. so is that a challenge? i bet i can get mine to flower without a greenhouse and since i dont grow lowland neps i dont have a "perfect" enviroment to just toss them into. bet i can get it(all of 1 foot at the moment) to bloom in two years.

    i really dont care what the "experts" say as i can usually prove most wrong on one thing or another in their field anyways. i am no expert, have never claimed to be, and will never claim to be. i do stuff based on my personal observations, personal theories and by going with info that ppl have had good luck with their own personal experiments.

    7santiago, dont let this party pooper spoil your interest. get yourself and try growing it for yourself. it will do you very lil good to listen to these "experts" they dont live in your house do they? whos to say it wont do wonderfully and bloom? i wont say one way or another cause i am willing to admit i dont know how it will do for you, but i do know having a real interest in trying to grow it will get yah 90% of the way there.
    yup,like I said, NO ONE has managed to make them grow big and flower them indoors. Do you understand that? What makes you think your case will be any different?
    People have been trying for years. It doesnt work. End of the story.

    They know a LOT more then you do. They have done a lot more experiments then you.
    They have a lifetime of experience while you have barely a few years. And you dotn care what they say. Very open minded. I wouldnt be as half good in growing orchids as I am at the moment if I didnt take advice from experts at the orchid forum and at my orchid society.

    And for your ifnormation, plenty of people from the US also said you cant really grow Vanilla indoors.
    And you still dont listen.

    Imagine if someone wanted to try growing an N.villosa indoors. Would you stop them? That would be the amrtest thign to do, as if they got it and tried growing it indoors it would surely die. You and everyone else knows that it isnt possible. Its exactly the same for growing Vanilla big and flowerign it indoors.

    You really have no idea how outnumbered you are in this topic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] ]Imagine if someone wanted to try growing an N.villosa indoors
    they said the same of N. hamata. i truely believe at some point in the future, someone will be growing this guy as a window plant

    yes i am open minded, ive found you experiance far more interesting things that way. the reason i personally think very few ppl have gotten it to bloom indoors is they have no real reason to try. very few orchid growers are going to devote enough space for an 8 foot vine without having a greenhouse. there for far to few ppl have tried it to say it flat out wont work. from what ive seen of mines growth habit there should be no problems getting it to 8 feet. i got it to triple in size with no issues(it was longer than its present 12 inches but i traded away a cutting) ill start working with it a bit more seriusly just so i can prove yah wrong. to bad i wont be able to show you it in person cause going by your current attitude i can tell when i do get it to bloom your going to claim all sorts of things since it is going against you and your experts.
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    Thats because N.hamata was new and people didnt realise it didnt grow at that extreme of an environment, but we do know that now. Vanilla has been around for a lot longer and to this day not one person has managed to achive what youre hoping to achieve.


    Trust me, people have let it climb, they have tried to get it big, they have tried this, they have tried that, theyve tried loads of thigns but it just doesnt work. Heck, theres someone on the orchid forum who let theirs climb on the wall, but they arnt ever expecting flowers, they just say its fun to see it climb.

    But the point is, no one has yet managed ot buy a Vanilla, put the pot on a windowsill and manage to get it huge and flower.

    Its totally not true that few people havnt tried it, many have in the USA and Europe but no one has managed to accomplish it.

    All I can say to you is good luck, but I am 100% adamant you wont be able to flower it. But good luck anyway.
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    I just gotta chime in on this but don't know what side to join. So I'll join both.

    When a friend of my wife returned from a trip to Florida with a little potted Vanilla and asked what to do with it, I told her to enjoy it as a foliage plant and said I'd give her another orchid if she wanted something that would bloom.

    On the other hand, most if not all of my orchids have to deal with seriously deficient growing conditions in one way or another. Some are extremely sensitive - draculas and many masdies come to mind - but others deal with it. So many don't grow as big as quickly as they should and maybe flower spikes are smaller or appear less frequently. Or never. I like them anyway.

    But when people are looking to get a first orchid, I'll always try to steer them to those that are good prospects for their conditions. And never, ever have I recommended it be a Vanilla.
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    true Bruce, i wouldnt call it a "beginners orchid" as in a plant your looking to bloom but ive seen nothing so far that shows that its a difficult plant to grow if you just wish to have one. for a true beginers orchid i like the Oncidium hybrids, ive got one that is literally the most abused plant in my house and it still blooms several times a year. actually go shop Home Depot and Lowes if yah want a beginers orchid to bloom. most of what they sell are hybrids and are remarkably easy to grow and bloom.
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    Theres a place out in Colorado that has a Vanilla orchid blooming. I don't know what species it is but it's a Vanilla orchid and it blooms all the time. I have looked at it several times and smelled the blooms and it is sickening after a while with one good sized one and a small area. It's in a kinda greenhouse/large sunroom area. I bet Jeremiah has seen it, I know he frequents the place often.
    I don't really know much about orchids but I think in general almost any plant can be adapted to live in a house given some degree of special care. I have an Arachnis orchid I think it's called, I don't really do anything for it; it just grows in a huge pot of Epiphyllum. It gets full sun. Anyway I'd be inclined to say whether the "experts" say it can be done is irrelevant, alot is done that the "experts" say NO! I bet it can be done if given the determination and time.
    Starman, I'm sure he knows that sometimes you fail when growing exotic plants. Let him try it without being told he can't. If it don't happen he'll figure it out and without any negative comments.

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