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    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] (rattler_mt @ Sep. 17 2005,5:29)]the point is that they do not consider themselves experts.

    as to Vanillas "must have" warm nights. i can say now this is a bunch of bull. mine was growing like a weed with 85 degree days and 55 degree nights. infact the only reason its sulking now is i moved it from 90% humidity to 35% humidity abruptly but both are sending out new growth as we speak. i have the plants in my posesion and have had planifolia for over a year, half of which in very rough conditions. can you say the same? you keep speaking of what experts have told you but where is your own personal experince? ive been growing plants for longer than you have been on this earth. does that make me an expert? NO do i consider myself an expert? NO but what i do have is years of personal experiance growing plants in the conditions i have. i am tired of arguing about this with you when not once have you added anything but what some experts have told you. if someone else wants to discuss their personal experiances with this Genus im game but im done responding to you Dino
    yes, I can say the same because if they are not satisfied they wont flower. And they dont sound satisfied in your conditions, you even admitted they sulk.

    And its not just 'what some experts' have told me, like Ive stated before: Newbies AND serious growers AND experts agree said the same.

    You really have no idea how outnumbered you are in this argument.
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    A real expert would probably be more interested in what he or she doesn't know about a plant than what he or she does know. That's why they never feel like experts... the things they don't know are always far more numerous.

    You can also see how they got to the place they are now... by having undying curiosity about what results another person might be able to culture no matter how unlikely. People who think they already have all the answers aren't very curious, which isn't a great place to be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] (endparenthesis @ Sep. 17 2005,5:55)]A real expert would probably be more interested in what he or she doesn't know about a plant than what he or she does know. That's why they never feel like experts... the things they don't know are always far more numerous.

    You can also see how they got to the place they are now... by having undying curiosity about what results another person might be able to culture no matter how unlikely. People who think they already have all the answers aren't very curious, which isn't a great place to be.
    Who said I think I have all the anwsers? Who said experts think they have all the anwsers? Well let me tell you this: ALL genuine experts who I meet always tell me that no one can really know it all and have all the anwsers.
    I believe that too, and Il never stop being curious.

    However, so much research and growth attemps have been tried to get it to grow AND bloom in the house its unbelivable.
    You wouldnt believe how frequently that topic comes up
    And yet, theres a few people here who think that can go against hundreds, if not thousands, of people who have tried to grow AND flower Vanilla indoors and failed.

    And dotn respond and say: But my Vanilla grows indoors!!
    But does it flower happily EVERY day like mad like a good greenhouse grown plant does? I dont think so
    A truly happy Vanilla would make a few blooms every morning
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    I find vanila extreamly easy to grow.. just my personal experience. I also grew my varaigated vanilla indoors for a couple months and it did great even gew some new leaves. I'm sure they would flower indoors... theres really not much to it. But you must let it grow, vanilla ussually flowers once the vine has gotten long enough(8-12') that it loops back down... the plant flowers in the part that loops down. I've noticed this to be true with wild vanila that I have personally seen in fakahatchee strand in Florida.


    You guys are getting all fired up for no reason, realax guys this is a fourm disscussion not a flame war. there is no right answer... it might not be the easyest plant to bloom indoors, but then again there are tons of other rchids that are much harder to bloom and grow.

    so c'mon guys relax and lets be civil, or at least cool about it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] (Starman @ Sep. 17 2005,6:03)]Well I used to think the same as you, but not anymore. Why?
    1) I bought a Heliamphora and for over a year it faield ot adapt to indoors, its now been moved to the greenhouse
    2)When I thought the same as you I posted it and straight away the likes of Tony Paroubek and nepenthes gracillis instanly jumped on me and said that Im wrong etc.
    3) I bought another few sensitive plants to try to prove them wrong.......they died

    So I dont believe in that theory anymore and I wont believe in it ever again.
    I may be wrong here but, wasn't it you that wasn't allowed to buy terrariums? If thats the case then you can't really say you know about growing indoors because a terrarium/chamber of some sort is essential to growing alot of exotics in a house.

    I only have a few orchids BUT I do know that I can make things live on a chunk of wood hanging in the air with desert dryness in the winter and averaging 40-80% humidity in the Summer. Fluctuations in temp between 5-15deg.F. in a few minutes. The point is that YOU don't really know, you know what you've been told BY OTHERS. You've expressed someone elses opinion and Rattler is telling you HIS opinion. If the concensus among the Orchid community is that it is unlikely then fine but until you actually try it you don't have much ground to stand on; and even if you do try it and fail then fine again. You live in another country which is deffinately a factor in growing anything.
    Are you trying discourage someone from "testing the water"? It is these testers which pave the way for new "facts" which were previously thought to be incorrect. I don't think anyone said you're wrong, I think what has been said is that you don't actually know if you're right. You know what you've been told and you've done an excellent job of repeating it. (I am sure the "experts" will be happy with you)
    Perhaps some of these experts can state their own opinions but it will still just be an opinion.

    If anyone tries and fails then they will be part of a long line of people who tried and failed, and what will you gain if they don't try and what will you have lost if they do try?

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    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] ]But does it flower happily EVERY day like mad like a good greenhouse grown plant does? I dont think so
    A truly happy Vanilla would make a few blooms every morning
    I live in Florida, sorry but vanila does not flower like mad all year around.. its actually quite rare to see blooms inthe wild... I am not far from a presrve where vanila grows everywhere, to the point where its boreing and kind of annoying I must admit lol! I frequent the preserve regularly to find amongst ther things other orchid species, and a native bromeliad (guzmania) we have in Florida (wich is gorgeouse growing in the wild a real site!)

    I have seen vanila in bloom once. you do see some seedpods here and there but finding them is rare, you always find the seed pods on the vines that loop down. Ha ha and yes I have been tempted to snag a cutting since it is EVERYWHERE, but I have not, it is protected and it is a preserve.

    Not picking sides here or anything just stateing my personal experience with this plant.

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    JC, do you have any pics of guzmania or Vanilla in the wild? i would love to see them if you do.
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    Starman, realize no one's saying a Vanilla will grow as well on a Montana windowsill as it will in its home territory or even in a Montana greenhouse. In fact, these people seem to accept that their Vanilla plants might never be anything but a viney foliage plant. I'm quite confident every single orchid and CP I own would do better somewhere else. Such as in a greenhouse. But I don't have one and am not getting one and they'll have to deal with it. And they do.

    But I do stand by my statement that "experts [and serious growers] almost always have have ideal growing conditions for whatever it is they're experts [or serious] about. They either live in the environment their plants prefer or provide a greenhouse or some other controlled environment for them."
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