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    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] (seedjar @ Jan. 27 2006,12:48)]Well, you guys can say what you will about Orthene, but my roommate's father was a horticulturalist in the 70s/80s - before there were laws about handling procedures and warning labels for agrochemicals - and he's got all sorts of scary chronic illnesses from exposure to this kind of stuff. I'm sick all the time as it is - I don't need some bug spray giving me seizures, diarrhea and acute respiratory distress (all symptoms of acephate poisoning.) And it's particularly disruptive to the developmental process; puberty has been bad enough for me already. So, yeah, I appreciate your reassurances but I'd rather not take too many chances.
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    Just remember the amount you are using is not that lethal and watered down. The only way you could really poison yourself would be to either swallow it or directly and purposefully inhale the spray/mist.
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    Oh, I know, but when you have sorry luck like mine you learn to be a little paranoid. :)
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    I never had a problem with Orthene on Sarracenias. It is a good product and will poison chewers also. Wear gloves, spray in the early morning or evening (when the sun is not direct). Aim the spray bottle at the plants from different directions to get good coverage. Wear gloves and try not to breath too much spray or get it on your skin (but if you do get some on, don't panic, it probably won't do anything bad, just good to take precaution and be safe). I don't think it matters if you repot now or later, just spray.

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    We never use the liquid form of orthene. Get the granules and dissolve them in water: one tablespoon to 2 gallons will 'take care' of mealy bug, scale, aphids, thrips and whitefly. I use it as a pot drench. It is systemic so the plant will most efficiently absorb thru the roots. We also have noted that if you use too strong of a dose, Sarracenia will produce deformed traps for about a month. I do not recommend mixing insecticides. Use seperate treatments for the chewers and the suckers. As Bugweed said, the chewers will inflict the most damage quickest, so get rid of them with the Sevin. We use Talstar One, 1 ounce of the concentrate to a gallon of water. Talstar is very effective against all the baddies, but its expensive. Also, it's toxicity is low for reptiles, birds and mammals. It will kill fish and frogs however. Talstar will also require repeat treatments because it's so environmentally friendly- it washes away after a little while. We use it because it is recommended to us by the Florida Dept. of Agriculture for the control of ants, particularly fire ants(fire ants are not allowed on our property). Also, Talstar does not stink-it has a slight chemical smell-not like the orthene that smells like a dead rat.
    I wear gloves when handling the concentrates, but they are fairly safe once diluted.
    Hope this has been helpful.
    Good growing!

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    Woodnative, I have never had the experience of orthene bothering a chewer. The caterpillars here must be much different from yours. Around here, the caterpillars think of orthene as salad dressing. Hope it keeps working for you.
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    Bugweed-
    I have used Orthene for caterpillars on other species quite successfully, although admittedly, not on Sarracenia. I suppose there is the possibibility the Sarracenia do not adsorb the material as readily (?). I do not doubt your results. Orthene has worked well for other Sarracenia pests for me and I never have had trouble with it damaging the plants. I imagine some of the Bt products would work just as well on Sarracenia for caterpillars, and are certainly safe for the applicator.

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    No arguments, Woodnative. Sevin works for caterpillars around here, but orthene, if it has worked on chewers, I have not seen it. I will now have to observe closer and see what happens to these crawlin' fuzzies! Thanks for the heads up. I will observe and post what I see. Remember too, we are on opposite coasts, and the results just MAY be different. So far, no chewers have died from orthene, but I will STILL observe closely. I might have just not seen it.
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    You know what works really well on pillars? A pair for forceps and a hungry Nepenthes pitcher!

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