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    but if it did produce double pitcher as seed, and it keeps seeding double pitcher, he could be rich ;D

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    well.....the limits of that mutation is what needs to be defined. That is a STABLE mutation. The deformed pitcher"s" did finish and for the most part has the fully defined characteristics: a lid, probably glands as well. Its just my guess, but I would assume that this kind of mutation might be caused during cell division of the proliferative stem cells at the growth point of the plant. This meaning... the daughter cell shows a deformation...but the original stem cell population has the orginial code making its next pitchers stay "regular"....basically commonly termed as "unstable mutant that reverts back".

    If the mutation wasn't stable....you would have noticed tissue necrosis and abortion of pitcher development.

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    Nice! That's definitely interesting. On my own Cephalotus I've seen a double non-carnivorous leaf (looked like that but a non carnivorous leaf, it was cool but not that cool) but never a pitcher like that!
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    Jeff,

    It's been a while since I visited this forum, hence the late reply. Thanks for sharing the picture! I guess that if you wait long enough (or have as many plants as Charles), something odd is bound to occur.

    Alexis,

    Just for information, it's a deformity, not a mutation.
    That would be my assumption as well.

    Vraev,

    huh! a developmental "mutation" in the stem cells that lead to the pitcher is what causes that "DEFORMITY".
    Not necessarily. Not all developmental deformities are caused by genetic mutations, in fact, many aren't. Many are caused by environmental factors that influence gene EXPRESSION which, in turn, influences how cells migrate.

    If the mutation wasn't stable....you would have noticed tissue necrosis and abortion of pitcher development.
    Why? A mutation doesn't necessarily cause cells to die, in fact (and thankfully), most don't. If a mutation were to cause a cell to die, it would probably result through the apoptotic pathway, not necrosis. In any case, it cannot be determined by gross inspection of tissue ("seeing" or "noticing" with the eye) whether cellular death was by necrosis or apoptosis--these are defined via histologic analysis.

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    All I know is that it is cool!
    Wish they did things like that more often.
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    Smile

    Yes, it's very interesting!

    When are you going to bring one to the meeting that looks like that?!!!
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    Unfortunately probably never.
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    I agree with vraev. It is a "mutation". It is not a stable mutation, so therefore we can call it an unstable mutation. A mutation can simply mean a change.

    http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/mutation
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