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    Wow! Just beautiful. I recently ordered a hybrid with kimber red ruffles in it and now after seeing those pics I'm glad I did. I hope it has a fair amount of it's charactristics. Also is kimber red ruffles a cuprea or atropupurea because here http://www.humboldt.edu/~rrz7001/Sarracenia.html it's listed as atropurpurea

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    Great photos.

    What's the story behind 'Kimber Red Ruffles'? Is it seed grown?

    It has a yellow, flava like flower, albeit quite small. It seems to be of hybrid ancestry?

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    Here's the shot labeled 'clump' of the 'Bronze' flava that Steve asked about above:

    I believe that there is consensus that this clone has some Sarr other than flava a few generations back.

    ... and here's a shot of the Horry County, SC cuprea from 2007:


    Quote Originally Posted by Neps_N_Things View Post
    Also is kimber red ruffles a cuprea or atropupurea ?
    I originally acquired it as a 'coppertop' so I've always called it that (or a cuprea - once that name was created). Bugweed & some others a few years back decided that the tube got red enough to be called an atro. Although these naming conventions allow us to classify plants within 'groups', because S. flava has a virtual continuum of variety within it's family - folks often try to shoehorn plants into one group/classification or another. I try to not get too hung up on the naming conventions... I have another plant that Bugweed gave me several years ago as an atro. While I suspect that it must have shown him red at some point, it has never developed any significant red since I've had it - even though another atro & a rubricorpora next to it have deep red coloration.

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    Great photos.
    I appreciate all of the kind words from you and the others about these pics. From both a composition & technical view though - there really is a lot of room for improvement. I just hope that they are adequate enough to convey the beauty, shapes & colors of the plants...

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    What's the story behind 'Kimber Red Ruffles'?
    I wish I could answer your question - but sadly I don't know... I acquired the plant between 10 & 15 years ago iirc. I have no records of who sold it to me. (It seems that I learn best by screwing up. From this lesson - and others - I now try to keep reasonably good records of both where my plants go & who sends me plants). For obvious reasons, I really enjoyed growing it and gave away & traded many divisions. After I gave Dean Cook a plant, every few months he would email me and ask if I had any others. At some point, he gave it the name that now follows it.

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    Is it seed grown?
    Not by me. Based on plants (& pics) of other cupreas/atros, I suspect that this plant originated in North Carolina (but this is completely a quasi-educated guess).

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    It has a yellow, flava like flower, albeit quite small. It seems to be of hybrid ancestry?
    Some folks believe it has some other Sarr in it's ancestry. However, unlike the 'Bronze', there seems to be little support for this theory - other than conjecture.

    Although not a plant highlighted by it's dramatic red colors, here's a recent pic of a Virginia flava that I feel has a very elegant shape/pattern:
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    Thanks for the information. My Kimber is doing well! It's a cracking plant.

    I like the Virginia flava too - candy striped.

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    I didn't think it could get much better but you proved me wrong with that virginia flava. It's found itself a spot on my favorites list. If you ever have an extra I'd love to try and work out some kind of trade.

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