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    Question on watering Sarracenia Purpurea in pitcher?

    Hi all

    I have read which makes perfect sense not to water the pitchers that have hats on as it rots the pitcher, however this plant does not and there's a fly that's going moldy so... if this plant was in the open outside it would normally take water in the pitcher, but it's indoors...

    So any advise please

    All welcome

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    Pure sarracenia purpurea needs water in the pitchers.

    Purpurea hybrids don't need any as they can produce their own digestive enzymes. Whilst their pitchers will be open to the rain, their taller stature usually means they tip over and the water drains out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Noddy View Post
    Hi all

    I have read
    wherever you read that, stop reading there!
    they have bad info.

    which makes perfect sense
    it does not make perfect sense at all..its flat out wrong..

    not to water the pitchers that have hats on as it rots the pitcher,
    they are designed to have water in them..

    however this plant does not and there's a fly that's going moldy so...
    no problem at all..

    if this plant was in the open outside it would normally take water in the pitcher,,
    yes it would..which is the reason it makes "pefect sense" that it should have water in it!

    but it's indoors...
    very bad idea.

    So any advise please
    yes..dont grow it indoors..ever..
    keep it outdoors, and it will keep itself filled with water..
    I have never added water to a purpurea pitcher..yet they are always filled..

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    Quote Originally Posted by scottychaos View Post
    wherever you read that, stop reading there!
    they have bad info.
    How are you going to know if it is bad info without reading it?

    Quote Originally Posted by scottychaos View Post
    it does not make perfect sense at all..its flat out wrong..
    Given the information that Sarracenia with lids produce their own fluid what doesn't make sense about not having to add water to pitchers with lids on them and water to those without? How is that flat wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by scottychaos View Post
    yes it would..which is the reason it makes "pefect sense" that it should have water in it!
    Now you contradict your early statement that it makes no sense at all.

    Quote Originally Posted by scottychaos View Post
    very bad idea.
    Not a good idea, but I wouldn't say it is a very bad idea. As I've pointed out to you before many people successfully grow S. purpurea under lights for years. Peter D'amato and the ICPS website both state that S. purpurea and S. psitticina are suitable for indoor growth.

    Quote Originally Posted by scottychaos View Post
    yes..dont grow it indoors..ever..
    keep it outdoors, and it will keep itself filled with water..
    I have never added water to a purpurea pitcher..yet they are always filled..
    There's the old saying "Never say never". Saying "don't grow it indoors..ever.." is the same as saying "Never grow it indoors". For the umpteenth time I'll point out that Ivan Snyder grows S. purpurea under lights. He prefers S. purpurea ssp venosa var burkeii because have short flower stalks that don't hit the lights. The only reason for not growing the taller species under lights is the height of the pitchers - the energy costs alone to supply sufficient light and cooling is beyond the reach of most individuals.

    Never grow Sarracenia indoors? Take a look at this:
    http://www.terraforums.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=107339
    http://www.terraforums.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=118006
    http://www.carnivorousplants.org/see...Sarracenia.htm
    Juvenile Sarracenia can be raised in a terrarium under lights for two to three years before they need to join the adults and start the cycle of seasons. When the Sarracenia seedlings have about 5 leaves, they can be transplanted into pots with the plants spaced about 2 cm apart or 9 to a standard 8.5 cm (3 inch) pot. If you use long fibered sphagnum, it should be chopped into 1 cm or shorter lengths so the plants can be transplanted later without breaking the roots. The pots should be put into a terrarium under 4 fluorescent bulbs or the equivalent. The lights should be on for 16 to 18 hours per day and it is a good idea to line the outside of the terrarium with aluminum foil or mirrors to maximize the amount of light the plants get. As the plants grow too large for the community pots, you may want to transplant the larger ones individually into 5 cm (2 inch) pots.
    And arguably growing plants in a greenhouse is indoors, after all most greenhouses have doors of some sort. So the Kew Gardens, growers like Alexis, Aiden and Andrew should tear down their greenhouses and grow their Sarracenia outdoors?

    So never ever really?
    Grand Hotel... always the same. People come, people go. Nothing ever happens.

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    fine..if I must..

    Quote Originally Posted by Not a Number View Post
    How are you going to know if it is bad info without reading it?
    I know its bad info because they, whoever "they" are, said "not to water the pitchers that have hats on as it rots the pitcher"..which is stupid advice..
    so thats how I know its bad..


    the information that Sarracenia with lids produce their own fluid what doesn't make sense about not having to add water to pitchers with lids on them and water to those without? How is that flat wrong??
    umm..what? could you rephrase the question please? I cant tell what you are trying to say..


    Now you contradict your early statement that it makes no sense at all.
    no im not..
    first I said it doesnt make sense to NOT add water..which is what "they" said..
    it "doesnt make sense" that adding water would be bad..
    now im saying it makes sense TO add water..it makes sense that adding water is good..
    (or at least not harmful)
    they are oposite statements..
    not adding water = "doesnt make sense"
    adding water = "makes sense"
    thats what I was saying.



    Not a good idea, but I wouldn't say it is a very bad idea. As I've pointed out to you before many people successfully grow S. purpurea under lights for years. Peter D'amato and the ICPS website both state that S. purpurea and S. psitticina are suitable for indoor growth.
    sematics..you can say "not a good idea"..I can say "very bad idea"..
    both are valid.


    There's the old saying "Never say never". Saying "don't grow it indoors..ever.." is the same as saying "Never grow it indoors". For the umpteenth time I'll point out that Ivan Snyder grows S. purpurea under lights. He prefers S. purpurea ssp venosa var burkeii because have short flower stalks that don't hit the lights. The only reason for not growing the taller species under lights is the height of the pitchers - the energy costs alone to supply sufficient light and cooling is beyond the reach of most individuals.

    Never grow Sarracenia indoors? Take a look at this:
    http://www.terraforums.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=107339
    http://www.terraforums.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=118006
    http://www.carnivorousplants.org/see...Sarracenia.htm
    bad examples..
    those threads are about seedlings..which is not the topic of this thread..
    there is still zero evidence that you can grow adult sarrs indoors long term..


    And arguably growing plants in a greenhouse is indoors, after all most greenhouses have doors of some sort. So the Kew Gardens, growers like Alexis, Aiden and Andrew should tear down their greenhouses and grow their Sarracenia outdoors?
    seriously..what?
    doors on greenhouses?
    we are talkling about newbies growing indoors on windowsills..
    no doors, no greenhouses..
    not even remotely the same thing as Kew Gardens..

    So never ever really?
    yes, really..
    very bad idea..
    unless its seedlings, and unless you know what you are doing (with seedlings)

    this thread is about an adult plant indoors, grown by a newbie..
    therefore indoors = very bad idea.

    get back to me when you have grown sarrs indoors, on a windowsill, with no dormancy, for 5-10 years straight, and the plants are still healthy and thriving..then we can talk!

    Scot

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    Quote Originally Posted by Not a Number View Post

    Peter D'amato and the ICPS website both state that S. purpurea and S. psitticina are suitable for indoor growth.

    Peter D'amato doesnt like his name being used in vain..
    he does not support long term indoor growing..see this thread:

    http://www.terraforums.com/forums/sh...=111619&page=2


    Scot

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    Hey guy's please don't argue, it's a couple of quid plant...

    It's better to learn and understand than argue... That's what I am on here for to learn... and may be help others where I can...

    I will post the images of when I bought the plant and now, and it's grow indoors which is living proof...!

    I think I mentioned this before, I was told it was not possible to breed discus in a 2ft planted tank, 5 years on I achieved that in a 2ft planted tank.

    So moral of the story is, you can but try may be when have a new and better method at the end... that's the goal, so please work together... and help each other rather than tearing each other apart...

    Thanks for all those that wish to help,...

    Noddy

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    Noddy,
    no problem..hope we answered your initial question!

    and dont worry about it..no one is "tearing each other apart"..
    its just a normal, if semi-heated debate..happens all the time! no biggie..
    as long as we keep the debate on the plants, its all good..

    Scot

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