After trying for a couple years to stratify sarrs seeds and get them to germinate, without success, I had a nice surprise this year. I had taken a seed pod last year and just crumbled it into a container with some newly arrived mitchellianas. This year, this little fella popped up. Amazing what can be done without trying. It may be from my doodlebug or scarlett belle. Need to move it this winter and give it some space.