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    S. Wrigleyana vs. S. 'Scarlet Belle'

    Take two

    So I was windowshopping at Flytrapshop.com and came across two sarrs, which are of the same lineage, but are classified differently as they have separate names for each.

    amphirion said
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    wait what? This is already a tangent, but since it was brought up here i'd like some clarification.

    i thought S. 'Scarlet Belle' is a hybrid cultivator. i thought S. x wrigleyana was a S. x wrigleyana regardless of whichever plant plays 'mother'. Just as the offspring will exhibit different degrees of each parent, S. 'Scarlet Belle' was given it's name because it holds a certain distinction from its siblings.

    In point: i thought all S. 'Scarlet Belles' are S. x wrigleyanas but not all S. x wrigleyanas are S. 'Scarlet Belles'


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    I believe you've got it right, amp. S. x wrigleyana is a cross between a leucophylla and a psittacina. 'Scarlet Belle' is a cultivar, which happens to be a wrigleyana.
    if anyone wants to chime in with the answer, by all means go right ahead
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    Hmm? I haven't been here lately, so I have no idea what's going on, but even though Scarlet Belle is x wrigleyana, Scarlet Belle is different because is was a wrigleyana with distinct characteristics and was registered as a cultivar, so yes, all Scarlet Belles are wrigleyana, but no wrigleyana is a Scarlet Belle, except for the cultivar itself. Wrigleyana is just a name given to the cross, like catesbaei and excellens.
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    S. x wrigleyana refers to any plant that is the result of a S. psittacina and S. leucophylla cross.

    Sarracenia ‘Scarlet Belle’ is a cultivar of S. x wrigleyana. So all true S. ‘Scarlet Belle' are clones (genetically the same) and are, in fact, a specific, selected type of S. x wrigleyana.

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    Brilliant Joossa, thanks!
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    I think that S. 'Scarlet Belle' is a cultivar that specifically has the S. leucophylla as the maternal parent. S. x wrigleyana is any mix of S. psittacina and S. leucophylla, but almost always has S. psittacina as the maternal parent due to timing of when each flowers.

    I know this is an old post, but I am very interested in this plant. Anyone have an opinion as to which version is better? Having the leucophylla or the psittacina as the maternal parent...

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    @starchy: not an easy question to answer because sexual propagation always results in variance, even if self crossing. the progeny especially of a hybrid crossing most likely fall into a bell curve distribution. the majority of the offspring will resemble a common blend of both parents, while an extreme few will exhibit a strong affinity to a parent. it really depends on what you're looking for,since we all have different preferences on what is considered to be a good looking plant.
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    I mean that the cultivar S. 'scarlet belle' was originally created where the leucophylla was the maternal parent. Being a cultivar, it now is propagated via vegetative means. S. x wrigleyana can be any cross of psittacina and leucophylla, but most often has psittacina as the maternal parent.

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    it's just a primary hybrid that got a clonal name. it's just Sarracenia X wrigleyana 'Scarlet Belle'
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