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Thread: My first potential Heliamphora cultivar, candidates?

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    Last edited by pokie22; 02-15-2015 at 03:38 PM. Reason: Nomenclature - don't forget, "sarracenioides" is spelled with two "i"'s, one on either side of the "o".

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    Very nice looking plants, everyone. Nice to see such good, healthy Heliamphora plants.
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    Pokie,
    Absolutely stunning progress, and finally one of the H. parva x sarracenioides is looking like I had hoped!!
    H. parva x folliculata is still my favorite though, but wow!
    Beautifully grown specimens


    Joseph,
    I may be wrong, but I think Heliamphora parva was recognized as an unique species in 2011
    There was a big realignment of the genus with the publication of the book: Sarraceniaceae of South America
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    You're not wrong Av, it was reassigned as species designation. And before it as reassigned, it was H. neblinae f. parva, not tatei.
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    Since 1984 it has been accepted as Heliamphora tatei f. parva. The name links to the data in the CP Database.

    See these reference in the CP Database. H. neblinae var. parva was initially published by Maguire in 1978, then H. tatei f. parva was published in 1987. The current 2011 publication, as H. parva, is only accepted as a synonym for the earlier published H. tatei f. parva. The names not in bold are not accepted, while the names in bold, are.

    If you have any questions as to the taxonomy of these plants, I recommend emailing Jan Schlauer, at jan@carnivorousplants.org. If he can't give you an understandable answer, no one can.

    Av8tor1, thanks for the link, and discussion. I simply take my input from Jan's database. He synthesizes all the current literature, much better than I ever could.
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    FWIW, it is listed as H. parva in the International Plant Name Index: http://www.ipni.org/ipni/plantNameBy...w_history=true

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    Dueling databases:

    Kew Plant list:
    http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl1.1/record/kew-2904371

    Heliamphora parva (Maguire) S.McPherson, A.Fleischm., Wistuba & Nerz is an unresolved name

    This name is unresolved, but some data suggest that it is synonymous with Heliamphora tatei var. neblinae (Maguire) Steyerm. .

    The record derives from WCSP (in review) (data supplied on 2012-03-26) which does not establish this name either as an accepted name or as a synonym with original publication details: Sarraceniaceae S. Amer. 527 2011.
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