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    Quote Originally Posted by corky View Post
    so why would it grow smaller ones
    Quirk of genes, perhaps what allows it to grow large pitchers in ideal conditions makes it flexible in the other direction in less than ideal conditions (makes the plant more nit picky)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whimgrinder View Post
    The conditions provided for my Cephalotus plants are as close to "ideal" as anyone could hope to achieve. This particular plant may need many years to start exhibiting this particular trait (large size) or it simply responds to full, direct sunlight by making a much more compact plant with smaller pitchers - a known response by some clones in high light conditions. Its far too simplistic a stance to assume the behavior of the plant is the result of less-than-optimal growing conditions, given that in my case, thats not the issue.
    Ideal for growing big pitchers is what I meant, but personally I would rather not write an essay and post it about all the possible factors that could influence pitcher size.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PsychoSarah View Post
    Quirk of genes, perhaps what allows it to grow large pitchers in ideal conditions makes it flexible in the other direction in less than ideal conditions (makes the plant more nit picky)
    could be i dunno,but i would of thought that cephalotus be it typical or giant would like the same conditions to get optimum pitcher size for that particular clone,i would find it unlikely that a typical plant would grow larger pitchers when grown in identical conditions than a giant clone

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    Quote Originally Posted by corky View Post
    could be i dunno,but i would of thought that cephalotus be it typical or giant would like the same conditions to get optimum pitcher size for that particular clone,i would find it unlikely that a typical plant would grow larger pitchers when grown in identical conditions than a giant clone
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    Quote Originally Posted by corky View Post
    could be i dunno,but i would of thought that cephalotus be it typical or giant would like the same conditions to get optimum pitcher size for that particular clone,i would find it unlikely that a typical plant would grow larger pitchers when grown in identical conditions than a giant clone
    Optimum conditions for a Hummer's Giant and a Czech Giant may very well be DIFFERENT conditions. A factor a lot of grower overlook, the clones that grow the best/largest for me are not the same clones that grow best for others. I have much older and similar sized Hummer's Giants and they are no where near my best looking or largest plants, I would not call my HG a giant clone if I was to pick a giant clone from my collection. I can grow up an Emu Point or Big Boy so much faster than any other clone, others I'm in contact with are not experiencing the same results but we all grow with variations in our conditions.

    The term typical is simply referring to any non named clone and with all the seed grow Cephs now available providing optimum conditions becomes more and more of a gray area. Keep in mind EVERY named clone started out as a typical someone decided to name. As for the cultivars, IF controls are being conducted correctly (I personally believe they are not) then all you need to do is match the original growers conditions and you get the proper plant, IF controls are not being conducted correctly a cultivar is just a named clone they registered.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RSS View Post
    As for the cultivars, IF controls are being conducted correctly (I personally believe they are not) then all you need to do is match the original growers conditions and you get the proper plant, IF controls are not being conducted correctly a cultivar is just a named clone they registered.
    What controls? There are no controls to apply incorrectly.
    Someone publishes a description in a hard copy publication, this is occasionally done accidentally.
    The only thing registered is the name to check that it is not already in use and once registered cannot be used again.
    Nothing else is guaranteed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fredg View Post
    What controls? There are no controls to apply incorrectly.
    Someone publishes a description in a hard copy publication, this is occasionally done accidentally.
    The only thing registered is the name to check that it is not already in use and once registered cannot be used again.
    Nothing else is guaranteed.
    My mistake it is only recommended...from here http://www.sarracenia.com/faq/faq3960.html

    From the link.

    3. Is the plant deserving?
    Is the plant truly superior, and do specimens maintain these superior attributes year after year? Does the plant retain the superior attributes when cultivated by different growers? If so, the attributes are likely stable; if not, they may be due to your particular conditions. (It would be foolish to describe a cultivar for an average plant which is just being grown well.)

    4. Are you qualified?
    Let me be blunt. While on one hand I am pleased that anyone can register cultivar names, I think that enthusiastic beginning horticulturists should avoid registering plants until they have a bit of experience. When I began growing carnivorous plants, I simply did not have the experience to recognize what was a beautiful plant, and the real rarity that should be given a cultivar name. I think you should consider registering a plant as a cultivar only after you have grown that plant and numerous others in the same genus for five years, minimum! I named my first cultivar after growing carnivorous plants for 13 years.

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    Bigger pitcher is easily obtained in terrariums with high humidity and low light. which I would consider a less than ideal environment.

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