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Thread: Cephalotus ' Dudley Watts ' or Cephalotus " Double Ribbed" ? Which one?

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    ça suffit!
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    Quote Originally Posted by KATastrophe View Post
    Okay i get it their is conflicting evidence and some reason to be suspicious - but i don't like where this is going. It reminds me of the old site i was on. Let's all just figure out the plants correct i.d to leave it at that or just take it with a grain of salt (and maybe some vodka) i hate to see this community to become unfriendly over a simple mistake on bigbellas part or a misrepresentation leading to the questions of someones charecter. How can we solve this matter?
    Do you want him to specify his questionable identification on his ebay ad to give warning to potential buyers or have him remove the post? Because i find people will buy anything for the right price, just it being a ceph is enough to cause bidders to say "shut up and take my money!"
    If you remove all the emotions from this thead this is the real issue, there is no way to get a positive ID on most of these Ceph variations without a paper trail. From the threads linked in this post the paper trail went bad. Either that or we have a 'Giant, Dudley Watts, Double-Ribbed' Ceph out there. It would not be unheard of for people to add more nouns to a name, Emu Point going to Emu Point Giant, vigorous going to vigorous clumping.

    I'd say maybe a 1/2 dozen clones could actually be ID'd in a group, some of those would require special measure to ID. Once that paper trail is tainted all is lost.

    As for the E-bay ad, well buying a Ceph on E-bay is just like buying a baseball card, I hope you have a good paper trail with it. Ask questions and if things don't seem right don't bid. Anything listed as a "left nut" is correct, 'left nut' would be an issue

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    Quote Originally Posted by RSS View Post
    If you remove all the emotions from this thead this is the real issue, there is no way to get a positive ID on most of these Ceph variations without a paper trail. It would not be unheard of for people to add more nouns to a name, Emu Point going to Emu Point Giant, vigorous going to vigorous clumping.
    Coincidentally, I was approached about those "Emu Point" plants a few weeks back, in terms of supplying a paper trail. I had originally supplied a bunch of those seedlings to Dennis Hastings, some years ago, when we were exchanging a number of Cephalotus. There had never been any claim about their potential size; only, that they were site-specific and colorful. They were quite tiny at the time . . .
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigBella View Post
    Coincidentally, I was approached about those "Emu Point" plants a few weeks back, in terms of supplying a paper trail. I had originally supplied a bunch of those seedlings to Dennis Hastings, some years ago, when we were exchanging a number of Cephalotus. There had never been any claim about their potential size; only, that they were site-specific and colorful. They were quite tiny at the time . . .
    The Emu point has always grown very well for me. Anyway here is the quote about it, pulled from a few threads/boards.

    Cephalotus follicularis location Emu Point, Albany AU (Also know as Emu Point and/or Emu Point Giant) -

    "Quote Originally Posted by BigBella

    The three "Emu Point" plants that I had provided Dennis Hastings, originated from leaf pulls that had either been grown on compost; or else, developed in vitro from that same tissue, from a single, wild-collected plant, taken legally (for the benefit of the inquisition that occasionally rears its head on TF) from the border of a parkland and cattle-grazing area. Some seed had also been collected; but those plants were never part of that initial shipment. Apparently, there had been some confusion there.

    Many of my plants have produced larger than "average" pitchers; though I have still had "typical" plants, from time to time, produce 2.5-3" leaves -- more a function of age and health, in my opinion, than the provenance of any particular cultivar or clone . . ."

    From Dennis

    "I have added this plant as an unusual clone because of the history it was given. This plant was seed grown from a mother plant originating in the Emu point region of southern Australia. It has been said the parent plant produced pitchers as large as three inches. Since this has been seed grown, there in no way to emphatically state this plant will grow up to be a giant also. I will keep this plant updated in a set of images to let you know how it does.

    I have since learned from the person I received the plant from, that the pitchers on the seed grown plants get to about 2.5 inches tall."

    I "believe" Dennis added the "giant" to the end of Emu Point but its just a guess from the information I've been able to collect.

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    That brings back memories. Those seedlings went out later, after that initial shipment, along with a few vials of plants from rhizomal and leaf tissue from those first plants; and, if there was anyone, who could make a giant of a Cephalotus, it had to be Dennis . . .

    I don't know what became of those later seedlings, dozens of them -- plants by then, after his passing . . .

    It was a nice plant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigBella View Post
    That brings back memories. Those seedlings went out later, after that initial shipment, along with a few vials of plants from rhizomal and leaf tissue from those first plants; and, if there was anyone, who could make a giant of a Cephalotus, it had to be Dennis . . .

    I don't know what became of those later seedlings, dozens of them -- plants by then, after his passing . . .

    It was a nice plant.
    Thread about his plants after his passing http://icps.proboards.com/thread/5789/dennis-hastings

    I've seen a few of them going out through E-bay so they are still getting around. I know I've sent out easily 100 Emu Point leaf pulls, plus whatever plants over the years so that one should be in good supply. Easily the single best grower for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DND View Post
    Big Bella, please stop, really stop. No need more...

    In CPUK you call this plant Cephalotus "Double Ribbed"

    On eBay you call the same plant Cephalotus 'Dudley Watts'

    Here in Terraforums you call again the same plant cephalotus "Giant" http://www.terraforums.com/forums/sh...Stratification


    Please, make a final decision and choose just one name.... don't really want to see the same plant labeled from you as "Big Boy" somewhere else
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    Maiden

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    Quote Originally Posted by RSS View Post
    Thread about his plants after his passing http://icps.proboards.com/thread/5789/dennis-hastings

    I've seen a few of them going out through E-bay so they are still getting around. I know I've sent out easily 100 Emu Point leaf pulls, plus whatever plants over the years so that one should be in good supply. Easily the single best grower for me.
    Thanks for the link on Dennis; and I am glad that the plant does well for you. I have a few remaining clones in vitro . . .
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