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Black spots on pitchers

  • Thread starter Stefano1
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Hey, today i was putting my baby helis into the sun and i found one of them on the up coming pitcher there was some black spots scattered around, and on the green pitchers it has black spots, what is this??

-stefano
 
Black spots are not usually a good sign. Do they look soft and mushy? Are they getting bigger? Is it where the ice cubes were hitting the leaves and maybe physical damage?

If they are not getting bigger and no knew ones are appearing then I would say things are probably ok. If they are spreading and/or new spots are popping up.. then there is a big problem
Tony
 
I stoped using the ice cubes on saturday, i am using refrigerated distilled water now (take a bottle, put ddistilled water in it and cool it)

my dad is proly right that its prolly root rot or something, they get lots of sunlight, and i heard from martin before or someone else that they dont like to be sit in a trey of water 24/7, during the day i keep em outside and cool em down with the refrigerated water,

right now the trays are not filled but there is a tiny bit o water in it, during the day it gets to like 85 outside with lotsa humidity, and i cool it down with the water, at night i take a plastic cup, cover them, and bring em inside where its about 78-80 most of the time in the house and i put them on windowsill

yeterday there werent any black spots but now there are, they are seedlings, the pitchers are really skinny, i hope they dont die they are really cool and when they grow bigger they look awsome, i hope they get to the size like in the pictures on the thread Heliamphora, heterodoxa x minor

well, over all could i be doing something wrong?
Thanks
 
Hmm....I am no Heliamphora expert yet but Tony is.
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Tony, could he have some black spot fungi?
 
Hey,
Does anyone know about Heli's and air circulation? I got mine in plastic bags to increase the humidity but i'm worried it might get to stuffy in there for them. Should i punch some holes in the bags? Or, are they ok as they are?
Thanks
Rosie
 
78-80 night time temps? That's kinda high... combined with them being covered up at night with a plastic cup could be leading to fungal attack on the leaves. Is the air in the house really dry?? If they are staying outside without any covering during the day they should be able to handle the humidity level in the house at night time. Provided there are no air conditioners or other devices removing the moisture from the air.
Tony

Yes Rosie there is an increased risk of disease whenever air circulation is less than ideal. They will probably be ok but keep a close eye on them and keep them moist but not too wet if they are sealed in a bag.
 
Hi Tony,
You seem to be a big Heilmphora fan! Do you grow H.minor (Auyan Tepui)? It's the most beautiful plant I've even seen, but I've never heard of anyone growing them.
Lacey
 
Yes I have some small minor from Auyan Tepui, Akopan Tepui, and Ilu Tepui. Have some coming from Chimanta Tepui soon. Only the Auyan Tepui and the Ilu Tepui are making maturish leaves so far though.
I Can't wait for the ones from Akopan and Chimanta to make mature leaves. They have really long hairs inside the pitcher!
Tony

Auyan Tepui (need to get some new pics. They how have several mature shaped pictures with more formed nectaries)
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Ilu Tepui
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Are Akopan and Chimanta the purple ones? They are spectacular!
You should do a webpage about Helimphora's, there isn't realy a decent detailed one that I can find, they all seem a bit vauge, it would be nice to have some inside info from an expert!!
Rosie
 
  • #11
Hi,

Heliamphora minor from Auyan tepui is the most common H. minor in cultivation. It has very few or no hairs.

I have never heard about H. minor from Ilu Tepui ?!

I know from two other forms from Akopan and Aprada tepui (belongs to the Chimanta massive). Both species seem to get a lots of hairs and are more colored.
If given very(!) intensive light !!!!!!!

(my H. minor from Akopan tepui has only juvenile leafes at the moment)

Look at the pictures on Andreas Wistuba's site :
http://www.wistuba.com
He has a lots of Heliamphora pictures...

There is a German homepage about Heliamphora from someone who started to specialise in tepui carnivorous plants....
<a href="http://www.heliamphora.de.vu

maybe" target="_blank">http://www.heliamphora.de.vu

maybe</a> you can read it using a translation tool...

I wouldn't recommend to grow Heliamphora in stagnant air without air movement. The cliamate in "Heli-world" is very harsh with haevy winds and storms (from what I have read and heard, I have never been there :-(( ... maybe in 1 or 2 years :) )

One last thing :
It is a myth (in my opinion) that Heliamphora needs cool roots. Ok, the whole plant needs cool or cold nights but I never watered them with extra cooled water !!!
Heliamphora is not a Darlingtonia !

happy growing :)
Martin
PS : here you can find some pictures of my Heliamphora :

http://www.drosophyllum.com/deutsch/heliamphora.htm


(Edited by Martin at 10:23 am on May 14, 2002)
 
  • #12
My culture area on Heliamphora is a bit lacking. One of these days I will work on it some more. I have never been to South America to really experience them in the wild .. maybe one day! So I can only comment on how they grow in nature from second hand research. Which although useful would restrict what a really great site on Heliamphora would need.

The ones from Akopan and Chimanta will get a maroonish purple/red from pictures I have seen. As Martin points out they need LOTS of very intense light to get to a solid color. In cultivation however I find I have to balance light and temperature levels so the plants wont bake and fry.

As for Ilu Tepui H. minor... I can only go on what information I have from Borneo Exotics where this batch of plants came from. Perhaps they are miss identified on location. I will have to check on it and see what Rob has to say.
Tony

Just click on the red www thingy at the top of this post and it will take you to my website.
 
  • #13
but before i goto sleep i cool down the soil with refreigerated water,

i am so darn mad, i dont want them to die,
 
  • #14
ok the black spots have appeared more and the new pitchers are turned brown/black too

i think they are both dieing or already dead, gosh darn, i dont know what the heck i did wrong

maybe it was the temps. or maybe it was the shipping shock that when i received them they were really shocked when i took em outa the box, god I AM SO MAD !!!!!!!

i talked to jaie about it and he said to superthrive them,

is it maybe cus of root rot? that i kept em in the tray of water? the humidity outside is ALWAYS 60% or higher

but its weird, my cobra lily that likes the same temps and such is doing fine, i think its cus i maybe watered them too much??

please help

-stefano
 
  • #15
ok i think i made mistakes,

i sat them in trays filled with water,

and also i think ontop i have been watering ontop of the crown

at night, could i try using the fridge for them??

my dad has another fridge in the garage which i have the meal worms and superthrive inside the shelfs so the mealworms can sleep and the ST wont attract ants as it did once, and since there are only drinks in there could i try to set the temps in the fridge to 55 or 60 degrees F

and then put the pots in there over night??

here is where i read it from

[link]http://www.pitcherplant.com/care_sheets/heliam_care.html[/link]

are there any chances these should live if i give them there conditions? but in the fridge im afraid there is no humidity, maybe i could put a cup over it and then put in the fridge?? or a plastic bag over the whole pot??

any chances itll survive? thanks all for your help

-stefano
 
  • #17
Your right about refridgerators removing humidity. I am not sure about putting them in a bag and setting the temperature at 60. Might be worth a try .. Your still going to have a problem with air circulation which could be the bigger cause of disease problems.
T
 
  • #18
well tony, me and jaie were talking and we got this great idea, i got my 5 gallon tank, and i filled it about 1 1/2" of distilled water on the bottom, and then i put the holder and i put the 2 pots on top, so the water can provide humidity, and the top is 1 25W incan bulb, its a small tank, and its about 5-6" frm the top of the pot to the light, and what i can do is at night i take 2 small gatorade bottles that are frozen, and stick em in the water when i goto sleep, and itll make the water cool and the humid cool and the tank cool. and since the 25W will be on at about 6:30 am to about 9:30 pm itll be good, and i placed it on my nightstand, and my west facing window gets about 3-4 hrs in direct sunlight in the after noon. i think this set up will work, and the cover that as the light has a lid that opens and closes, and we cut a hole in the lid so i could fit the fish filter in there before, so the hole now will be a circulation. hopefully they will come back, i surrounded the crown with LFS to support the pitchers and the crown, i hope this set up works, please say any comments i have to fix, maybe about the 5-6" of the top of the plants to the light may be bad? please make any remarks on which to fix and if you think itll work out
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thanks!
 
  • #19
What do you mean by putting the plants into the sun? Did you take them outside in direct sunlight to get hot and dry?
 
  • #20
The heliamphora will have a good chance of coming back if it does not have a rotted root system.

And about the lighting...do not use incandescant light bulbs. Plants need to be placed very close to these lights for good growth and when they are placed very close the excessive heat from the bulb can fry the plant. Use flourescent light bulbs instead as they generate little heat.
 
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