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Thread: Blue topped leucophylla

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    I have seen such plants, and understand Mike Kings a collector of every different trait a Sarracenia has so his motivation is different from mine, but I am in no way knocking anyone as it may appear in type. I am not.
    I was discussing some of these newly in demand Dionaea cultivars with a old time friend -I don't know half of them. After he described some of these "new" VFT's to me I stated ..."oh the kind we used to get rid of in the 70's because they were all messed up" he said..."exactly"...now they are naming every mutant VFT has some kind of rare cultivar.
    Not the exact same case here with Sarracenia.
    Some forms of S. flava show this dark green, almost blue look. I don't have the knowledge why, but while its rare its not unheard of and I can find the flava's commonly.
    Not so with S. leucophylla it is very rare but often a bland plant in habitat or collection as the colorful S. leucophylla goes, it is a retard., but my view is always the same.
    We have a plant that Bob Hanrahan has coined S. minor surprise. It is sweet looking very red and with a wonderful pink flower. How can a S. minor have a pink flower?[img]http://www.**********.com/iBhtml/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif[/img] This is so rare.
    Not really, S. minor and S. psittacina form complicated hybrids regulary. Complex back crossing will give a S. minor a pink flower.
    No doubt it is a pretty S. minor with a little S. psittacina still shining through.
    Some purist hold no love for hybrids, yet go crazy over a S. leucophylla with a yellow bloom. S. flava x leucophylla back crossed will give your S. leucophylla a yellow bloom.
    Still their are anthocyanin free plants, but the dark aqua green S. flava & S. leucophylla I don't think are in this class.
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    Mike
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    Hi Mike, Hi Pyro,
    This leuco in question did not have the 'appearance' of being blue topped, it had blue veins and the white interspacings were tinged in light blue. It was one of those occasions you wish you had a camera with you! I too have red tube flavas that have a maroon bluey hue to it, but this leuco was if you like a 'blue& white' plant as opposed to red & white plants.

    There is a link here to anthocyanins in Sarracenia:

    http://www.pitcherplant.org/papers/antho.htm

    So Mike, have you seen a plant that actually fits this description?

    Pyro, my knowledge of plant colouration and chemistry is pretty limited, but I was reading from the above link to see what I could find on the internet about colouration of Sarracenias. But to me, blue seems to belong to this colour group.

    What I am really looking for is someone who knows if this plant still exists as it was one of the most bizarre colourations on a Sarracenia I have ever seen.

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    Blue color is an intermediate step in the formation of purple anthocyanine. A missing enzyme will cause the color formation to halt at the proper stage so that the blue color doesn't get altered to the purple color. Any purple colored plant/flower has the potential to be found in a blue form. It is very rare though because it requires that there be a mutation within a single gene.
    Tony

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    Mike,

    Thanks for the link

    Tony,

    Thanks for the information

    It seems my question has been answered, now we just have to figure out how to answer Mike's question.

    Has anyone thought to ask on the listserv about whether this plant is still around??

    Pyro

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    Hi, I'm new to this list but probably know a lot of you already - I'm kind of a refugee from the constant flame wars on the CP listserv. When I first heard about this "blue & white" leuco I thought it must be a joke or urban legend, but from the sounds of this thread it must be for real. I've had a "blue" flava from Walton Co., FL that had a real distinct blue tint to the lower parts of the pitchers, but lost it after it flowered.
    Q for Mike H - you have the "Minor Surprise?" Will you be selling it in the near future? That's been near the top of my wishlist ever since Bob sent me a picture of it, so I really hope it makes it into cultivation!

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