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    Moderator Schmoderator Fluorescent fluorite, England PlantAKiss's Avatar
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    Hi

    I am considering moving my potted sarras to a mini contain bog. (I don't have that many...yet). It has to be small so its moveable. I'm looking at those little plastic things people use for ponds. I saw one tonite that was 7" inches deep. Then it jumps to one that is 15" deep which looks too deep to me (and would probably be heavy once filled with drainage material and soil). But 7" doesn't sound deep enough. Anyone have any suggestions? I don't want anything too ugly. And also, would it be alright to leave undrained (no drainage holes)?

    Any suggestions?

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    For maximum root growth and to ensure against root-rot, you'd have to use at least a 12" deep container. What would you consider movable? [img]http://www.**********.com/iBhtml/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif[/img] A larger above-ground bog could be relocated by more than one person. You're right, 7" deep isn't (in my experience) deep enough for an undrained container.

    What to use? I use rigid black plastic containers used by fishermen called bait boxes. They about a foot deep and twice as long and wide. They're cheap, durable, and much less expensive than artificial ponds. But I'm not sure if they're rigid enough to stand above ground. They're also black and would heat up appreciably when exposed to 'Mr. Sun'. [img]http://www.**********.com/iBhtml/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif[/img] Remember that an ugly container could probably be decorated with some sort of all-weather paint or even a mosaic, if you're so inclined. You may want to try a very large plastic pot, but somehow seal up the drainage holes.

    And a 'bog' must be undrained or it cannot be considered a bog.

    Good luck!
    Chris

    (Edited by Dionaea Enthusiast at 3:11 am on Mar. 10, 2002)

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    hi Chris

    Well...I guess by "undrained" I meant no drainage at all vs. a few VERY small holes for verrrrry slow drainage. Even in a natural bog, water does seep into the soil (even a clay soil) over time...but rain always replenishes from the top keeping the water somewhat fresh. A natural bog isnt water-tight like a plastic container would be. I thought I had read somewhere that SOME drainage keeps the water from getting too stagnant. Personally I would prefer no drainage. A 12" deep container would be more in line with what I was thinking of. I just thought if I could find a small artificial pond container with some shape to it would be more attractive. But I will check out the bait containers.

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    You're right about the drainage holes. In the event of overwatering (a possibility even with sarrs), several small holes on all sides, a few inches below the soil surface, would slowly drain off excess water.
    Yes, in nature bogs aren't sealed with plastic. [img]http://www.**********.com/iBhtml/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif[/img] A book I just got that you might be interested in is called Bogs of the Northeast, by Charles W. Johnson. You're not really in the Northeast, but it's full of info to interest any CPer or Nature lover. It's available at:
    http://www.amazon.com

    Also, I'm not sure if the bait boxes would be available in your area. I'm in a fishing/tourist community, and there are stores here with commercial fishing supplies.


    (Edited by Dionaea Enthusiast at 6:52 pm on Mar. 10, 2002)

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    Wait a minute guys.......(and girls [img]http://www.**********.com/iBhtml/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif[/img]) A bog is ALWAYS DRAINED!!!!! The L'owdrich marsh up in the Adirondack's has a huge stream on the one side of it and water is continuosly gushing from there! So yes, a bog is drained. But it holds ALOT of water beacuse of the Sphagnum and in the L'owdrich by a small pond in the center of it. But we a replicating a bog so it must be drained. The best way I have found to do this is to simply put drainage slits along the container's edge at the soil level this way surface water can be dispatched away. Then to keep it better drained and the roots good put 1 slit at the container's bottom to get rid of excess water. So now you have top drainage and bottom drianage.

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    Interesting. I'd think a slit in the bottom (no matter how small) would provide too much drainage, however.

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    I was thinking more along the lines of nail holes...tiny but still allowing for very gradual release. I was planning to put a few on the bottom but hadn't thought about putting any at soil level.....hmmmmmmmmm.

    Thanks guys!

    suzanne

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    Some really great things I've seen done for mini-bogs is to use wooden plant boxes like the ones that are meant to be used as window boxes. Line it with heavy black plastic and yes, a few holes a little below soil level is needed. I don't tink you need to worry about the water getting stagnent because it is underground. If you are wanting to have a little pond area like I do with even my smallest of mini-bogs(I call them micro-bogs) Just put some Ferry moss on top of the water. These tiny lilly pads will do enough to prevent algae growth and keep the water clean. If you want some help with this pond part(I mean if you're interested) start a thread in the aquatics section and I'll detail it for you real quick.

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