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    I must admit I feed crickets to my traps but only if they haven't caught anything in a while. My other half keeps Lizards and she feeds the crickets to them as they maintain the hunting skills and are the natural food for them. We breed crickets and all crickets are kept in humane conditions. I certinally would never have competitions or feed rats and mice though.

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    Wado I think feeding live insects to cp is a great idea! But I agree having contests to see how quickly they're killed is not a good thing at all. I'd love to breed crickets myself but haven't gotten around to it. I used to know a great webpage dedicated to the practice but I can't seem to remember...

    And that experiment with the mouse disgusted me beyond belief. I might have a Gary Larsonesque sense of humor, but even it has its boundaries. Why don't those &#36#&#36%* try eating mice and see how they taste?! Sound appetizing? Nice nutrient load? [img]http://www.**********.com/iBhtml/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif[/img]

    Ok, ok, no use flaming at them. I'll write them nice, polite emails that kindly inform them of their stupidity and cruelty.
    Chris

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    Here is my real beef...

    I understand that these plants feed on bugs... I know people feed them. I am not opposed to that.

    As I do not like to see anything die, I am aware that it happens.

    My problems are:

    1) having a contest to see who lives...or which plant eats the most. The people that are running the San Diego CP Society are acting like children ( I know that I leave myself open to attack on this, but I thouhgt that CP people were more into it for the plants, not the satanist rituals of tossing virgins into the mouths of the volcano )

    2) the placing of a rat into a Nepenthes? I don't get this one either. I know that these plants have been known to eat mice and birds sometimes...but I have also read that it is believed to happen b/c the animal is sick or dying. If it were healthy, they can escape ( which I agree) This goes beyond cruel.

    I know some people have lizards and snakes and they feed them rats. BUT THAT IS WHAT THEY EAT!! If the snake was in the wild, they would go and catch a rat. A Nepenthes doesn't do this ( small bugs, frogs- whatever happens to fall into the plant )

    3) AND THE FEEDING OF FISH TO A SUNDEW! This is the one that has me wondering.

    My concern is not the fact that the plants are being fed. I know that if they were in the wild they would feed on bugs ( if they even catch a bug ). They are feeding these plants things that they would naturally NOT eat!

    As I mentioned in an earlier post...I am working on ways to feed your plant something other than live creatures. And if anyone has ideas that they would like to share, Please write me or leave a post.

    There are several ways to feed your plant something else. Or not feed it at all.

    And for a CP Society to be doing this? That is what is most upsetting about the whole thing. They should know better!

    Forgive me for being or sounding rude, or if I offend someone. But this practice isn't right.

    I am in the process of writing people that I feel can do something about this.

    I again, encourage anyone who feels that this is not right, to contact someone.

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    I totally agree people shouldn't be gaining an evil satisfaction by feeding insects to cp, but are you saying what you're opposed to is feeding living things to cp in general? If so, I'm not offended because I know what you mean--it's not great to kill living things.
    This argument is multi-faceted and it's likely no one will ever agree on it. I often feed live insects to my cp because I know without a doubt they're the best thing I can feed them. I do it for the plants, not some sick inner child. I occasionally feed my cp freeze dried bloodworms from convenience only--which is usually when I don't feel like bug hunting or in the winter. Blood worms are already dead. I didn't kill them, but someone else killed them just for me, and I bought them without hesitation or a moral dilemma. 'Does them being dead already make this right?', one may ask. It certainly does in my opinion.
    But what you say you're opposed to is feeding live bugs to cp. (Of course, we're all opposed to making feeding a cruel, childish game.) I respect your view and respect your decision not to unfairly impose your view upon others.
    Let's say someone discovers a food for plants that completely replaces insects and works JUST AS WELL as live insects. If that ever happens, which likely won't be in my lifetime, I will use it. I'd rather not have to live with the fact that I killed many, many insects just for my plants. But until that food is invented, I'm going on as I always have. I hope no one has misunderstood me, and I welcome comments.

    And it's good to see you're also writing them. Anyone else, if you think this is wrong, go ahead and write.

    You know, I think we've forgotten about what I was originally so angry about: Barry's bical picture was taken without permission and not cited. This sdcps... :shocked:
    Chris

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    I am not opposed to feeding anthing to a plant, person, pet, wild animal...as long as the food is what would naturally be in their diet. I think that if there is an alternative that is just as good, it should be looked at though. But the feeding of things to animals, people, pets that they would not normally eat ( ie. goldfish to a sundew ) is just not a humane way to be.

    The poor animals that had to suffer. I feel that this was a very cruel thing to do. No where in nature they would have been subjected to the tortures of what ended up being their fate.

    I understand that in the food chain, these animals are towards the bottom. I know for many people, there is nothing else to feed your plant, snake, whatever...and that is fine ( I guess ). It has to be like that. What I am trying to do, is to come up with ways that will be just as good for the plant. We all agree that these plants need to eat...so we do what we can to make sure they live.

    My other concern that I have is that the people that are running this 'CP Society' should know better.

    I would expect this from someone who has just started collecting CP's.

    They are turning their site ( and/or society ) into a freak show. So people can 'ooohhh and awwww' at. That isn't right.

    I would think that the purpose of a CP Society would be to educate, protect and get others to enjoy what these plants have to offer.

    Not create contests to see what does what kind of damage to an animal.

    I agree that no one will agree ( sounds odd ). But I feel that the problem lies with the fact that these are to be people of principal and not 'evil doers'. If you want to see horror, go see a movie or go to the jungle and let a animal hunt you down.

    As much as I do not like things to die ( we all don't I am sure...with some exceptions to a few )...I know it is a way of life. It will happen and continue to happen probably forever.

    I am not out to offend anyone ( I am not ), I just want to point out that there are the possiblities to feed your plant. And even if there are no viable options, small bugs ( that they would normally feed on in the wild ) would be in the next best thing. ( for now )

    I would also like to mention, for those who may question, I like to see the 'middle path' if possible on things. Taking from other paths and creating a new one. I am not trying to side step an issue....just trying to add a new look to something.

    I am also not out to force my beliefs on anyone...if you enjoying the things that others find not correct, so be it. I am a very open minded person, and I only bring to the table what I think and feel. What I offer isn't right or wrong, they are just my thoughts. I encourage ALWAYS an open debate that does not lead to violence or worse. Insults happen, but just don't hit below the belt. :smile:


    AND BY THE WAY...

    You have forgotten about what the original point of beef was...the pictures.
    I saw the pictures, then I went further into the site, only to find something I wish I hadn't seen.

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    The mouse? After? That's not something I ever want to see again. Ever.

    Turns out I agree with everything you said. Having closed minds shouldn't cause the end of humankind. And yes, the purpose of a cp society is to further knowledge of cp, and to try to save them from extinction in habitat. I saw little to none of those things on their site.

    BTW, Barry replied to me. He thanked me and showed me a copy of his message to the sdcps--it was much more polite than my emails to sdcps. Shows I have something to learn.

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