S. flava variety

[nepenthes gracilis]

Hey all, I have this S. flava labeled as S. flava var. flava. But I am thinking because of the color concentration; perhaps it is var. rugelli? Could a Sarracenia with good experience help me out please? Thanks! I also included a few other Sarracenia pictures to save on topic posts.

S. flava var......

S. purp venosa

S. catesbaei

S. oreophila 'sand mountain'

S. purpurea purpurea clump in mini bog.

 

[Christian Dietz]

Hi,

Nice pics!

I think, your S. flava is neither a var rugelii, nor a var flava. I do rather think, it is a hybrid between maybe var flava and maxima. For me your plant doesn't show any clear characteristic of any of the variety. In this context i would be interested if any flava belongs to one of the varieties.

Christian

 

[nepenthes gracilis]

Hi Christian, Thank you for your input. I never thought of that. It is a new plant (1 year in my possession) so I don't know the true normal coloration of it. The pitcher pictured is relativly old and should be fully colored up but it may not be as the sun is not highest in the sky yet and it has been for the average rainy here in New York State for the spring season so far, so with that stated maybe we will have to see if it does indeed color up more.

 

[sarracenia]

Hey Dustin,
I agree with Christian that it is probably a hybrid between maxima and another variety (most likely flava). I have a similar plant, but with even less venation (there's a pic in a recent post). There is just the slightest hint of red venation at the throat, and some faint red veins inside the tube. Anyway, a rugelli would have no red veins, just a red splotch, while var. flava would have a concentration of red on the throat, with red veins radiating from it.
BTW, is that the catesbaei I sent you? Looking good, as are all of your plants!

 

[Christian Dietz]

Hi,

Here is a picture of one of my flavas. This one could be a hybrid between rugelii and maxima. I would not say, that this plant belongs to any of the described varieties.



The picture is a link to the same picture in a higher resolution.

Christian

 

[nepenthes gracilis]

Hi Aaron, yes it is the catesbaei you sent me, my only one!

It truly is a monsterous clone! Maybe you should think of registering it as S. catesbaei 'big foot' or something lol. Still an awesome clone! It never ceases to amaze me with the larger and larger pitchers.

Christian, lovely photo! What does everyone think I should do, rename it to S. flava var. flava x var. rugelli?

 

[Christian Dietz]

Hi,

You don't know, if it is a hybrid. It could be, but nobody really knows. So, just label it as S. flava. This should be O.K.

Christian

 

[nepenthes gracilis]

Sounds good, I wish Mike King would happen to come across this and privde his expertise at this also!

 

[Mike King]

Hi Dustin,
Christain is right, the veing is nowhere near as prominant as flava var. flava.

Christian's plant looks like var. rugelii to me, but that would be true if the pitcher is small on an immature plant. Hard to judge size sometimes!

 

[nepenthes gracilis]

So what do you think it is Mike? A hybrid like flava var. flava x var. maxima?

 

[Christian Dietz]

Hi,

My plant is about 3 years old. Last year it reached a size of about 50cm. I wouldn't call it a rugelii, because of the few red pigments in the throat.

Christian

 

[Mike King]

Hi Dustin,
Yes!

 

[nepenthes gracilis]

OK I will rewrite the label to S. flava var. flava x var. maxima. Thanks for everyone's input on this!

 

[gardenofeden]

Christian
I would say that your plant is rugelii, characterised by a single "splotch" of colour in the throat.
Stephen

 

[Alvin Meister]

Surely rugelli doesn't have any veination along the edge of the spot though Stephen?
Is a newly opened pitcher? With a bit of sun the veins could intensify and look more like a typical flava var. flava.

 

[gardenofeden]

I'm talking about christians little photo!

 

[Statik2426]

I have 2 seperate rugelli plants which form different pitcher shapes, but both plants have blotches that do not vein at all.

So I do not think your plant is pure rugelli.

 

[Christian Dietz]

Hi,

The photo is from last year and shows a fully develope pitcher. My Sarracenia are standing in full sunlight in the garden. This plant doesn't get more coloured. That's all. In some pitchers it's even less. I'm quite sure, that it's not a pure rugelii.

 

[Alvin Meister]

So flava var. flava x va. maxima seems right

 

[Statik2426]

Christian, your plant could still be rugelli. My rugelli's spots looked like the one in your picture when the plants were still young. Is your plant fully mature?