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S. oreophila and s. flava

nepenthes gracilis

Nepenthes Specialist
Well gang with my new sidekick, the C-750, I have some more photos of my S. oreophila "heavily veined" form. I am pretty sure it is it now that I see these photos but would like mroe input. Now I belive we can make a true affirmative ID of this plant with excellent quality photos I shall present.

The first 5 photo groups are all of the S. oreophila "heavily veined" plant.

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I think that angle of the lid is around 80* which is what I here S. oreophila lids are oriented that way.

Here are the flowers of S. flava var. flava ( 1st pic) and the oreophila (2nd pic)

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Any input is greatly appreaciated! Thanks!
 
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Did you post those oreophylla pics just to tease me about my loss?
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Nice plant though!
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Do oreophilla grow best in full direct sunlight or shadier types of areas? Because mine grow pitchers but the top never forms into a lid and the opening stays half open and turns brown in a couple of weeks. I've come to a conclusion that it might be because the plant is concentrating more on developing roots than growth. I got the plant from Dean as a cutting of the rhibozome with almost no roots.
 
Those certainly are nice photos of a nice plant. Although, I doubt that it is actually S.oreophilla. If I were to guess, I would have to say that it is a flava from NC/SC. Your third image clearly shows the back of the pitcher. Oreo lids should never curl around to the back of the pitcher to such an extent. Although the color pattern of your plant is very typical of oreo, I've seen similar plants of S.flava from the NC/SC area. Still a very nice plant.
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I agree with imduff, although it has some oreophila characters. the column lid is just too narrow to be pure oreo, I would guess a flava x oreophila.:)
 
Hi folks, So far the ID is pretty even right now I've had Carl Mazur, Mike king, Mike Catalani (whom gave it to me) tell me they were darned sure it was an oreo. And now I have imduff and gardenofeden almost level out the balance... This plant was originally going to be used in an oreo restoration project, this very plant was going to be introduced to a bog where oreophila orignally was but the plan never got passed so I was the recipiant of the plant from Mike. (I mean would they really use a hybrid for a RESTORATION project?) I read the ICPS newsletter and it fits most of the characteristics for more oreophila than flava, like the flower stalks are always taller than the pitchers, the lip spout is quite absent or moderately exaggerated. I suppose only way to tell would be genetic testing perhaps with some chromotography paper!

Certainly a very mysterious plant right now. The phyllodia are like "C" shapes that touch the soil in the pot to....that is what Mike said truely ID's an oreo....so i dunno.....
 
Nep G, You most certainly have an oreophila. No doubt about it. I guess some folks don't know how colorful an oreo can get, much less hood characteristics, phyllodia shapes, flowers and all that. I have 3 different color forms of oreo, and they are, each plant, different slightly from the one before. One heavily veined throat, one moderately veined in red, not purple, and a third that is hardly veined at all. The heavily veined throat and inner tube does remind me of my S. flava var. ornata, but the other differences in the leaves are also obvious. Nep, You definitely have Sarracenia oreophila, heavily veined form, and any time you are willing to give a cutting off your plant to add to my small stand, I'll take it. Perhaps in trade for a Schnell's Ghost? And Nep, I'd believe the ID from Carl, Mike K. and Mike C. We all know our oreo's!!
 
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Quote[/b] (Bugweed @ May 05 2004,8:58)]any time you are willing to give a cutting off your plant to add to my small stand, I'll take it. Perhaps in trade for a Schnell's Ghost?
First part good...

Second part NO GOOD  Bad Bugweed!!!  No trade S. oreo. Bonk BOnk BONK

and one more for good measure...

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That is a fine looking oreo. I agree that it is an oreo, although I do admit there are some flava-esque characteristics. However, there is a good article in the most recent CPN showing how variable oreophila can be. It's also amazing to me to see how far along peoples plants are. I am now in N. Wisconsin, without a greenhouse, and am still waiting for the first flower to open on anything. Looks like I'll have about 5-8 days more to wait for a catesbaei to open.
 
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Thanks, Tony! Sometimes I forget myself. I am glad these Forums are around to keep my head on straight. It's tough gettin' old!!!!!
 
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Hey folks,

Bugweed...hehe PM me sometime
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Anywho, I was pretty certain it was S. oreophila but when it first pichered many folks questioned it. And the background on the plant (The restoration project) made me positive it was pure oreo. Michael said to me when he handed me the plant with the phyllodia on it still, "this is the best characteristic to tell the plant from flava."

Clearly a very confusing plant! Thanks for the ID though! Carl also told me that my plant is the most regal form he's ever encountered. He said it was better looking than the oreo "Don Schnell" cultivar! lol Too bad location or history is not available on it...perhaps once Mike gets situated with his new wife and move I can get more info on it.
 
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Hi Dustin,
Beautiful oreo. I love the heavily veined form. I've only seen a few different clones: its the only Sarr. species we don't have, and the only way to grow it here in south Fl is to give it a mid summer dormancy! Based on your description of the phyllodia, flower habit, and the source, you bet its the real deal!

Trent
 
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No doubt it is an oreophila, no dipping peristome at the front, the column can be more narrow and the sickle shaped phyllodia is a give away. The flowers should be smaller than flava
 
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Hi guys, many thanks for the comments!

I never would have questioned the parentage of this plant if it weren't for the quesitoning of others in the past! I am just very happy to know it is indeed S. oreophila.

Mike, yes now that you mention it the flowers are noticably smaller than my flava's!
 
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Oreo can be very variable. Some colonies in NC actually look very much like S. rubra
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You have to forgive Tony...he loves to BONK people.
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I'm faarrr from any expert but I too was wondering about the curl of the lid and the sleekness of the tube. Seems so...flava. My oreo has a fuller tube and not so much curl, although definitely the C-phyllodia. I guess it would be a dull CP world if we didn't have such variation amongst species to make us stretch and wonder...

Really a stunning plant Nep G! Great photos. If you have Photoshop, you might want to run them through and lighten them up a bit. Digicams tend to make dark pics sometimes.
 
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Lol. It reminds me of my most colorful seedling of S.flava 'heavy veigning'
 
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