Bruce, the only red in the maxima is in the growing point. As you have said the rest is 100% green. I have studied the red tubes for some time, and the fact that some only go the heavily veined route, is confusing to some folks. I have spoken with Don Schnell on his assumption that the heavily veined plants in the red tube sites are ornatas, and he sees what I am trying to tell him. He wants me to do an experiment with a "true" ornata from North Carolina, and an "ornata" from Florida, do my soil heat, soil nutrient thing to see if some of the plants will redden up under other conditions, or if they redden up at all. The problem I am having is getting the North Carolina plant to use as the control subject. I have told Don that if the ornata's came into Florida on the feet of birds, then where in the heck are the rubricorpora's taken North on the feet of birds, in North Carolina. His theory is sound, but doesn't wash because nature works in all directions. If plants are carried in by birds, then they are carried out by birds. So where in North or South Carolina, are the rubricorpora's? They're are none, because that is not the case. The plants in Florida are not ornata, but to really show that, we need a DNA scan, and I don't have that kind of money!! Mike King and I have a friendly argument on that point as well. I still feel after all my study, that this is just a matter of genetics, not different plants.