That's kinda what I think, because Ziggy did it first, but not to this extent! I just wasn't sure if male fire bellied toads did that. Mine never did in Canada. I thought they all lived together happily, lol. Is there a chance Moss could kill Ziggy, cause it really looks like Moss is trying to drown Ziggy! He dunks him underwater and keeps him there! Geckoman, I live very close to Orlando Hi!