|I'm glad to see some more experenced people here. *I tended to over generalise all because so many people think they can get away with just feeding crickets or keeping the animal in the dark. *I guess I was mostly thinking of the local wild ones when I went off. *As for collection info goes Snakes are much more widly excepted as okay. *Turtles on the other hand have several big time laws placed on them because so many where being collected and then killed in captivity. *Box turtles are mild no no's. * Anything endangerd (a lot of turtles are) is the big no no I was speaking of. *I've seen some turtles that where illigally taken from the wild, and not given supliments or a UV light for vitem D. *Oh it's so horrible *sniff. *I've never seen anything so sad. *NOT EVER. *It was 13 years old. uh. *And it's shell. *His shell is barly 4cm's long. *He has health problems as can be expected and at this point all the rescue agencey can do for him is make things and good as possible for him. *I...I can't stand to even picture the little guy. *Then their are the kids who take turtles home and let them go in their yards >[img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif[/img] *Most turtles will starve befor they get used to the new terratory and die *sniff. *Sigh, I understand newbe mistakes, I just wish more where open to learning about their critters first. *One time I had a deal set up with some kids mom to return the animals they kept stealing from a local pond. *"Sorry kid, he must have run away" *Thankfully the kids started to return most, but I had to take away 5 endangerd/protected ones from them that they felt where to cool to let go *[img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif[/img] *The good news is the little girls grew up to understand animals (they are about 5 years younger then me). *Even though their older brother killed 6 iguana and gave the 7th savear deformations from neglect, the girls have taken over her care and although her spine is bent, she is now a good size, tame, fully tailed and happy [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif[/img] * I can remember sitting with those girls showing them the bump in the back, and then going over foods and how to know when she was happy. *[img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif[/img] *It feels so good to know I helped a few people to understand animals a little better. *I'm sorry I got a little huffed up, I only read three post each of which was how do I take care of the blank my kid caught. *As a kid I got lots of critters for a bit too. *But I always read about them befor I went hunting. *Perhaps we can encurage newbees to let their current critter go and flearn more about it, then go out and buy/fined one. *BTW I'm a herp freek with no herps... lol. *To bad the school only alows fish. *So, what are everyone's favoret critters?|
Mine are Green Iguana (from helping so many people deal with theirs)
Monitors (OMG they are so cute, I want the rescue one at the pet shop but alas I never will)
Dragons (come on you can't but love this group)
Skink (sooooo cute and shiney, I know, stupid reson)
Dessert Iguana *(I was this close to getting one)
Corn Snakes (perfict size, decorator colors)
Geko's (So cute, not real practical but cute)
hmmm, I love em all really. *I guess in phibs I like firebellies and treetoads of all sorts. *And you got to love the salamanders. *
Personnally, I have rescued/taken care of for a while:
...geee, list seems short but I don't inclued anyone who stayed with me less then 24 hours.[/QUOTE]
I like all those cridders. I too am a herp lover with no herps! many people collect cridders from the wild cause pet shops want so much money!I saw a 2-3 foot burmese python (sp?) for $372.00! you can't get anything cheap these days,except for carnivorous plants! I've seen cps from $3.00 to $90.00! I guess anthing can be expensive. [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif[/img]
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|Quote (Darcie @ Oct. 07 2002,11:18)|
|Above everything else, my #1 consern is the bad advice people keep giving. *If you know little of animal care to begin with, please don't share your misconceptions with others. *Here is a does of truth for you all [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif[/img] to help clear things up.|
1 *All captive herps require suplements in their diet. *Never forget this fact! *
2 *Hotrocks can kill a herp, don't use them, get hot matts insted. *
3 *Reptiles NEED a reptile light. *
4 *Snakes MUST have a tank at least 1.5x their length to keep them from having back problems. *
5 *Always provide a shaded cool end and a sunny warm end to a tank
6 *Always give a hiding place in bother the warm and cool ends of the tank.
7. *Newspaper without colored ink is a good medium for reptiles. But you must change it EVERY DAY. *Other mediums like coconut bark are good, but you MUST remove soiled areas EVERY DAY
8. *Reptiles need to soak in iodine water periotically to help them shed and to remove bacteria from their skin
9. * Coconut bark should be used with amphibians, NOT DIRT
10. *Many animals need a sleeping time for the winter or summer
11 *They will bite and they are not likely to let go for a few minutes, DON'T freak just wait.
12 *Pulling a snake that has bit you off of your finger will probubly peal off your skin, wait for it to let go.
13 *Veggitarian lizards need a huge viriety of food and NO camercial food can give them what they need.
14 *REASEARCH your chosen critter BEFOR you buy it [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif[/img]
I hope no one thought I was yelling, I'm just stressing some importent points and if anyone says keeping box turtles is okay after I post this, well then I'll yell LOL![/QUOTE]
I hate to have to argue some here becaues Darcie lectures on getting good advice and not offering misconceptions but some of her advice isn't set in stone either. I have been keeping herps, in some form or other, for 20 years. These have ranged from garter to corn to bull snakes to bullfrogs and their tadpoles. From horned lizards to horned frogs to spade-foot toads. The one thing I have found with herps is that there is no set of guidelines that you can rely on.
Specific retorts I have to Darcie's comments
1)Not necessaraly. My Tucson Banded Gecko has never recieved suplements and is 13 years old (possibly a captive age record.)
2)Hot mats are just as dangerous as hot rocks
3)No they don't. I have never used a reptile light and none of my reptiles have suffered calcium deficiency, bone problems or metabolic disease.
7)It isn't always necessary to remove soiled areas. My vivariums are dynamic and I never remove waste.
8)An iodine wash is not necessary. I have never heard of this and never done it in all my years and I have never had an animal experience shed problems.
9)Dirt can be used with amphibians but you have to take special care to avoid build up of urea. A couple plants can do that easily.
11&12)If you don't want to wait upto an hour or more, stick the offending animal under running cool water.
Keeping box turtles is okay. They make great started pets and are easily acquired in pet stores (legally.)
My main point is that you can not believe everything anyone tells you, even if they claim to be an "expert" (and yes that means that you should not take everything I say as gospel either.) Different situations have different rules and different solutions. Figure them out by doing your own research from as many sources as you can and then work for what is best for you.
'My love was science- specifically biology and, more specifically, when placed in a common jar, which of two organisms would devour the other.'
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well, ya know how all these animals got into the pet trade to begin with dont ya?? it happened from..DUN DUN DUN!!!....... wild collecting. where did we get our beloved CPs from?? wild populations! i can understand capturing wild animals for breeding programs and fresh bloodlines to ensure that our beloved herps dont inbreed. so, if you think about it, collecting wild animals is good for the right reasons. i believe over collecting or collecting just to collect is wrong however. some are so rare in captivity that the only way to obtain them is from wild caught specimens. thats only because they have not been collected enough to start breeding programs. in time, it pays off because desirable species will come more readily available and more healthy through the captive breeding. i feel that alot of animals are way over collected tho. go to a petco and look at the anoles. there are a hundred or so that just sit there and die. that is uncalled for. that kind of collecting needs to be put to a stop!
through understanding of our differences, we will find respect for one another. we are all flesh and blood. i am not affraid to speak my mind. no matter the consequences, stay true to yourself. through the humble eyes of a child, we will realize true equality.
I am confused...
Is this just a bash session on other people, or has someone actually stated that they collect wild animals on this forum?
I know that the group of people we have here are responsilble as well as kind to other people/animals.
I also think that if someone doesn't have the right information and is speaking in general terms, that is worse to anyone/thing than not saying anything at all [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif[/img]
As I truly respect others opinions and feelings, I have to draw a line when things get mixed up in the process.
Just as the purpose of this post, I am not sure why I am posting or the meaing of it all [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif[/img]