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    like i said i saw the pattern on a western......never seen an eastern in person. hope you catch it. BTW just because they are supposed to be near water doesnt mean much. i found a frog in the middle of the badlands over a mile from the nearest puddle. never did figure out why he was there but he seemed happy enough.

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    Hey Oz,

    My guess would be the Butler's Garter, they often have that very yellow/gold belly. The spotting sounds right as well.

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    I would be real excited if it is a butlers. I have never seen one alive. I did consider that it may be a butlers, but it's lack of a dorsal stripe and the fact that it was jet black made me think that it wasn't. As far as I know butlers are more of a gold or tan color. I'm no snake expert and these are just my uneducated opinions.




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    Oh Great and Powerful OZ! Coloration in snakes is relative. They have in some instances cases of pattern dimorphism, and will not look as usual. That is why I mentioned scale counts to begin with. That is the way to narrow down the field to a "T" with a positive ID. I guess some folks don't understand that, but that is the way. Your snake should be able to be keyed out to a positive ID.
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    i fully understand the importance of scale counts but where i live, short of possible hybrids between the 3 or 4 species of gatrers coloration/shape alone can tell you what snake you have found. we dont have that many different types.

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    Between Bullsnakes,an occasional pale milksnake, and plains garters, it would be useless. But in Ozzy's case, if he has an intergrade or a visitor from where ever, keying it down would help. Be glad you are not in Arizona at the four corners, sand snakes, leaf nosed, patch noses, and a host of others, so similar in coloration, and yet distinct species, keying was your only hope!! 3 species of sand snakes (shovel nosed), 2 species of leaf nosed, and 2 species of patch nosed. Sometimes their patterns didn't help much.
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    what do you mean be glad im dont have that problem?!?!?! i would love to have enough different types of snakes around here to have that problem. dont get me wrong i love my 6 ft bullsnakes. cute lil green snakes and garters, agressive yellowbellied racers ect ect ect but a few more species would be nice.

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    Bugweed,

    Being married with two kids makes it hard to do, but I have always wanted to go to Cherry County, NE and look for pale milks...It's about a seven hour drive from here, I think.


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