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    beginner salty

    hi i am going to be keeping saltwater fish in about 5-6 months (need to get ready)and i wanted what fish are good to keep for beginners in a 5 gallon nano tank . i need to know what to get and how much. also i am planning to get some dwarf puffers, butterfly gobies, halfbeaks,and small flounder. are these good to keep? what inverts are hardy and easy for a beginner? what kind of plants? i am going to need a lot of help.also i want to keep indian mudskippers and blue stripped cleaner pipefish. help is greatly appreciated. also what about dwarf seahorses?

    here is what i found http://www.aqualandpetsplus.com

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    Vast amounts of reef information.

    http://www.reefcentral.com/

    This is where I have always bought fish and supplies from with excellent service.

    http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/shop.cfm?c=3578

    Do research on the types of fish you want, and make sure they are compatible with each other.

    And learning is half the battle.................................
    Here's to the first of the of the day fellas!! To old, D.H. Lawrence!!!!

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    thanks thats relly good help the other half is keeping them alive!

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    Visit here for everything you need to know about saltwater tanks. www.fishlore.com
    I'm a member of the forums there.

    All I can say is consider getting a larger tank. You are EXTREMELY limited with 5 gallons; you would only be able to keep 1 or two fish MAX.
    Larger tanks are way easier to care for too.

    Some good beginner fish are Percula or Ocelaris clowns, some gobies, firefish (really good in small tanks), royal grammas, and some blennies. Stay away from seahorses, they are incredibly difficult to care for.

    I'll say it again, try to get a bigger tank. The larger the tank, the more fish you can keep and the easier it is to take care of.

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    Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?

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    You shouldn't get any of those fish and especially not for five gallons... I hope you didn't mean you want to put all of them in there... IMO 5 gallons is too small for any fish of any kind, let alone SEVEN different kinds (and you used the plural form on almost all!) That's a recipe for disaster. You could keep a couple of Percula clowns in a 10 gallon. Keep in mind of physical space. Just because an aquarium has enough water to support a fish, doesn't mean you should put one in there. You could live your entire life in an 8 x 10 room, but you wouldn't be happy.


    Oh. Sorry if I sounded mean. I looked at your profile and didn't realize you were ten. I started at twelve or thirteen, so I wasn't too far ahead of you! I managed to take care of a 75 gallon reef (until the expense became too great for a 7th grader) and if I can do it, anyone can. I think you should stick with freshwater for a couple more years, to build experience and partly because of the things you said (no offense, but it looked like you decided you just want what you like without regard to size, chemistry, difficulty, etc) Saltwater is more complicated and (a lot) more expensive. On the other hand, you would do very well to keep a five gallon freshwater aquarium with a few guppies and a couple Amano shrimp if you want invertebrates. Stick a couple compact fluorescents over it and you could keep basic plants! I think you'd be happier with 10-20 gallons. A five gallon bucket looks big, but once you put that water ina glass box it becomes very small :P

    BUT, I don't want to discourage you, and I'm no expert (I'm very much so a newb when it comes to saltwater) but I do know that what you want to do won't work at all. If you decide that, after a LOT of research (once you think you're done, research some more.) that you can A: afford this, B: dedicate the time, C: get a larger aquarium than five gallons (unless you want to only have invert) and choose some easy starter fish, then go for it! You can totally have a brackish/saltwater (I really suggest saltwater. Very few people do brackish and the colors and variety of saltwater can't be had at all in brackish. I'd say that it's twice as boring as freshwater.) if you do LOTS of research and dedicate yourself.

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    Alright here is what I did for much less than a protein skimmer is worth
    It's a nice 10 gallon planted tank with 2 cories,a guppy and 2 danios....
    Here is a breakdown of what I bought :
    Whisper 10(shoulda gotten the 20 my mom bought it for me ) $20
    Airpump (had it for hydroponics) like $10
    Airstone 12 inches long in the back of the tank $4
    Gravel $10 but don't buy the gravel if you want more than 10 pounds buy Ph inert pebble sized river rock works good for me buffers the Ph well from my 6.2 Ph water
    Air tubing $2
    Lighting 2 under the cabenit lights like $10 or so for both from wallmart CFLs are better
    The hood material I bought this flourscent grid for my 55 gallon had some left used it for the hood placed the lights ontop . $10 for alot of the grid material
    Plants were in a trade I say $20 or so maybe for a well planted tank but very/well planted tanks are messy when not cleaned alot.
    Nitrite,Nitrate,Ph and Hardness test like a 4 in one from ebay by jungle labs for $10
    Doy the tank a 10 gallon from wallmart for $10 or a 20 for like $25. (I had an extra one)
    So say $100-$110 for a very nice 10 to 20 gallon setup you could shave money by buying river rock for 10 cents a pound.not buying a test kit and ya I spent less than listed with some stuff I had on hand. Now a reef setup is like expensive mondo expensive but if you have enough initial funds then your set and some funds for monthly things.
    Here is a very very basic list of the chilling costs that have been keeping me at bay for a reef :
    Protein skimmer $100-120
    Canestir Filter $60 to $100
    Lighting $150 to $250
    Tank $30 or so for a 20 gallon
    Power head $15 to $20
    Salt like Instant Ocean $30 to $40
    Some way for Specific Gravity (Salinity) $8 (Hygrometer) to $40 (refractometer)
    Test kit $30 or so to like $40
    Live Sand $20 for a 20 pound bag
    LR the butt clencher in costs Like $120 for 40 pounds 1 to 1.5 pounds a gallon
    HEater $30 or so there other things but thats the money important stuff..

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    Clowns and Damsels are good beginner fish. After that then some of the Centropyge angels and Chaetadon butterflies.

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    Now since your into mostly getting fish not corals and those more complex inverts you have some savings...
    Now there are people who do not use a protein skimmer on smaller tanks just a good amount of water changes like 2X a week thats save $100,then the refractometer is not needed a hygrometer is not as accurate but will work that saves $32,The the salt if you do a 10 gallon 50 gallons worth of salt will work so that saves $25(at first),Then LR you don't need a crapload in a nano $50 or so for a 10 gallon if you got it from your LFS very cheaply would work,for the lighting well some for the LR's coralline algae but not alot so you'd only spend $30 or $40 ... The filter I'm not sure I think a HOT magnum(I may be wrong) maybe not sure but thats some saving by getting a lesser filter since there are no super sensitive inverts. With a FO(fish only) setup you don't need a very big test kit just for nitrite,nitrates,ammonia(maybe maybe not) and PH(correct me if I'm wrong please JLAP)
    That saves $20. Now my dad who worked at an LFS like 2 decades ago says damsels are easy very hardy fish I saw some online for say $5 a fish...
    Not trying to hack you down(I'm a newbie at fish in general ) but gobies from what I remember from a month or 2 ago from reading is they need alot of pods and copods for them to eat/sift sand for so you could starve them if your pod and copod population is low.

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