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    Wow just went through the whole thread out of curiosity of this entire thing and what the heck a FOWLR tank is...

    Overall.. really cool! Besides the fact that you lost a bunch of fish, not so cool.

    I hope everything gets all figured out and back to a healthy tank o fishies!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crofthulhu View Post
    Wow just went through the whole thread out of curiosity of this entire thing and what the heck a FOWLR tank is...

    Overall.. really cool! Besides the fact that you lost a bunch of fish, not so cool.

    I hope everything gets all figured out and back to a healthy tank o fishies!
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    Welp, the clownfish died too. So we have a shrimp. There looked to be an ammonia spike at .25 PPM today, but that was probably because of the fish death, not the cause of it (otherwise the shrimp would have died too.) The conditions should be back to normal soon since we have almost zero biomass. We have to decide what to do: throw EVERYTHING in the tank out, (including the shrimp, it can't go anywhere with fish), or make this a "no cordates allowed" tank.
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    autopsy? is it viral? fungal? scrape some of the infected areas and look through a scope.
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    We just got a blood shrimp and some weird starfish that looks like it has nipples. So I guess we're going the "no fish only with life rock" route.
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    Sorry for getting to this subject late but I came in for the cps only today. I'm a complete noob with cps but I managed aquatics and kept tanks myself. My personal opinion...is it too late to strip everything completely down and redo it? Just trying to remember the pic and skimming through the post, forgive me if I remember anything incorrectly, but...

    1. I would seriously recommend you cycle the tank with live rock ONLY (don't add a single fish until AFTER the tank cycles) or a shrimp from the grocery store. You tank never had a chance to cycle so it's not surprising that the animals died. Most people I find have no idea what I mean when I say "cycle" but it is a VITAL part of setting up a successful tank so I'll explain if you don't know. Are you sure you got your live rock from a reliable source? Did you prep the rock before putting it in?

    2. You don't have NEARLY enough substrate or live rock in the tank. You should really have way, WAY, WAAAAAY more! Did you get live sand? Is the sand and gravel specifically for saltwater use?

    3. Only after the tank has cycled do you add fish, NO inverts at first as they are much more sensitive than the average fish, and you add fish slowly over time. Personally I would never add a tang, foxface, or any fish that will grow so large to so small a tank. I consider 55 gallons to be the absolute minimum for those.

    4. You don't mention what kind of equipment you have on this specifically. Since you don't plan on having corals you don't have to worry much about lighting and you could maybe do without a protein skimmer but I prefer to have one just for the improved water quality. Your filter is what worries me the most. Is it undergravel, hang on the back, cannister...?

    5. The devil is in the details!! What's the salinity, ph, temp, ammonia/nitrite/nitrate levels each day? Keep a journal!

    I'll go see if I can dig up my old saltwater forum. They have some absolute geniuses on there that can surely point you straight!
    Jenn

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    I didn't even notice your post right above mine...a STARFISH Noooooo! If he's still alive please, please, please return him to the store as soon as possible!!!
    Jenn

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    Ok, I can't find the one that was my omg favorite but thank goodness the DFW club still has their forum up! Back when I was in the hobby these guys really knew their stuff!! Search for the DFW Marine Aquarium Society forums and I'm sure they'll help you out of this jam.
    Jenn

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    EVERYTHING DIED. AGAIN. WE HAVE NO ****** CLUE WHY.

    Quote Originally Posted by JennB View Post
    Sorry for getting to this subject late but I came in for the cps only today. I'm a complete noob with cps but I managed aquatics and kept tanks myself. My personal opinion...is it too late to strip everything completely down and redo it? Just trying to remember the pic and skimming through the post, forgive me if I remember anything incorrectly, but...

    1. I would seriously recommend you cycle the tank with live rock ONLY (don't add a single fish until AFTER the tank cycles) or a shrimp from the grocery store. You tank never had a chance to cycle so it's not surprising that the animals died. Most people I find have no idea what I mean when I say "cycle" but it is a VITAL part of setting up a successful tank so I'll explain if you don't know. Are you sure you got your live rock from a reliable source? Did you prep the rock before putting it in?

    2. You don't have NEARLY enough substrate or live rock in the tank. You should really have way, WAY, WAAAAAY more! Did you get live sand? Is the sand and gravel specifically for saltwater use?

    3. Only after the tank has cycled do you add fish, NO inverts at first as they are much more sensitive than the average fish, and you add fish slowly over time. Personally I would never add a tang, foxface, or any fish that will grow so large to so small a tank. I consider 55 gallons to be the absolute minimum for those.

    4. You don't mention what kind of equipment you have on this specifically. Since you don't plan on having corals you don't have to worry much about lighting and you could maybe do without a protein skimmer but I prefer to have one just for the improved water quality. Your filter is what worries me the most. Is it undergravel, hang on the back, cannister...?

    5. The devil is in the details!! What's the salinity, ph, temp, ammonia/nitrite/nitrate levels each day? Keep a journal!

    I'll go see if I can dig up my old saltwater forum. They have some absolute geniuses on there that can surely point you straight!
    Jenn

    ---------- Post added at 10:53 PM ---------- Previous post was at 10:52 PM ----------

    I didn't even notice your post right above mine...a STARFISH Noooooo! If he's still alive please, please, please return him to the store as soon as possible!!!
    Jenn

    ---------- Post added at 11:05 PM ---------- Previous post was at 10:53 PM ----------

    Ok, I can't find the one that was my omg favorite but thank goodness the DFW club still has their forum up! Back when I was in the hobby these guys really knew their stuff!! Search for the DFW Marine Aquarium Society forums and I'm sure they'll help you out of this jam.
    Jenn
    All of the live rock was from a 200 gallon reef tank downstairs. It had been cycling for a while. Our teacher is a marine biologist and has kept fish for like ever... and personally keeps track of a dozen or so fish tanks throughout the school. We've been taking records of the parameters every other day, and whenever something goes wrong, our teacher checks just about everything. He can't find anything wrong, and though he's experienced with this stuff, he's baffled why EVERTHING is dying.

    keep in mind that the first shrimp died over two weeks after the rest of the fish, so many theories don't fit, because the invert should have died, too. But it was the only thing doing fine. That's what led us to believe it was some type of pathogen that attacked fish, which led us to put only not-fish in there. But that's been shot to hell, too, since the not-fish died. We have a few theories, but all of them are pretty unlikely... for example, heavy metal poisoning.
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    Our teacher is a marine biologist and has kept fish for like ever...
    I'll keep my thoughts and experiences on educating the public about keeping different sorts of saltwater aquariums to myself then. If he knows all there is to know about it I suppose he can afford to skip a few steps in good husbandry practices is all.

    Best of luck though! I hope you get an A++++
    Jenn

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