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    Quote (monkeyman @ June 24 2003,08:33)
    Ok, I've done a lot of research into the topic of maintaining a saltwater tank and come to the conclusion that, I can do it. But it's going to take all of my allowance money and a considerable bit of my time too. So far I've come up with a list of everything I think I need. I've also decided that a 10 gal is too unstable. ( I.E. Easily affected by changes in temperature, ect...) So I'm going to get a 29 gal instead. The tank will be placed in my computer room where the temperature varies from 70-78 F instead of in my room where the temperature varies from 75-100 F. The computer room is pretty busy near dusk and on weekends so the fish should get used to people after a short while.

    Here is the list:

    Water Quality------------
    Ph Increaser
    Ph Decreaser
    Chlorine & Heavy Metal Remover "Stress Coat"
    Bacteria Additives "Stress Zyme"
    Bio Wheel Filter 330
    Combo Test Kit "Hagen"
    Undergravel Filter "Lee's Premium"
    Air Pump "Penn Plax"
    Tubing & Connectors
    Airstone
    Siphon & Gravel Cleaver
    Protein Skimmer "Red Sea Prizm"
    live rock

    Temperature-------------
    Heater "Ebo Jager"
    Thermometers "Hagen"
    Powerhead "Penguin"

    Specific Gravity----------
    Artificial Sea Salt "Reef Crystals"
    Hydrometer "Precision"
    Water

    Other-------------------
    Small & Large Nets
    Ick Treatment "Super Ick Cure"
    Bacterial Treatment "Melafix"
    Calcium "Reef Calcium"
    Aqua Gloves
    Epoxy Stick
    Filter Brush Kit

    If I need anything else or you don't think I need something on the list let me know. [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif[/img]

    Thanks,
    Mike [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif[/img]

    EDIT: I'm going for a reef tank with a couple corals, inverts and fish with a lot of biological filtration.[/QUOTE]
    looks good, monkeyman, but one question: how would the water get to 100F. in your room? Aren't you going to use a heater for the fish? or are you just having the air warm the tank? what about in the winter?
    undergravel filters are useless in saltwater aquaruims. you need to get live sand and and crushed dead coral for the 'gravel'. [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif[/img] and don't use an underground fileter, they are useless (as i just stated, lol)

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    how would the water get to 100F. in your room? [/QUOTE]

    My room is upstairs, and my dad refuses to turn on the A/C. Today it was over 100 F in my room!

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    Aren't you going to use a heater for the fish? or are you just having the air warm the tank?QUOTE]

    I am going to use a heater.(The good kind)

    what about in the winter?


    In winter, the temp in the computer room doesn't get below 70 F.

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    undergravel filters are useless in saltwater aquaruims. you need to get live sand and and crushed dead coral for the 'gravel'. and don't use an underground fileter, they are useless (as i just stated, lol)[/QUOTE]

    Strangely, I have read exactly the opposite. But I will take your word for it. Live sand was my second choice anyway. Do you have any reccomendations for sand sifting inverts/fish? Would a couple goby's do?


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    Hi Mike,

    Saltwater is not my forte, freshwater is, but I might be able to help you on your equipment purchases. Here goes.

    Water Quality------------

    Ph Increaser -- Do you really need this? Will you be using RO water to make your salt water or buying ready made salt water at the fishstore? You may not need this if you buy readymade water or even if you make your own as a good salt mix should take you where you need to go chemistry wise with the water. Double check the need before you waste money.

    Ph Decreaser -- I can't imagine you needing this.

    Chlorine & Heavy Metal Remover "Stress Coat" -- If you use RO water to make your mix as is best or buy ready made salt water you won't need a chlorine remover except for emergencies maybe.

    Bacteria Additives "Stress Zyme" -- not really necessary.

    Bio Wheel Filter 330 -- Ok, here I would buy a Marineland Emperor 280, 400 or an Eclipse 3 top with built in filter, bio-wheel and double lights. The 330 is not strong enough for problem free biological filtration as it lacks a spray bar to turn the wheel with water. The Emperor is the way to go for just a filter or the Eclipse hood for lights and filter.

    Combo Test Kit "Hagen" -- cool, make sure it's for salt water.

    Undergravel Filter "Lee's Premium" -- I agree with Spec here.

    Air Pump "Penn Plax" -- cool.

    Tubing & Connectors -- cool -- plastic only.

    Airstone -- cool.

    Siphon & Gravel Cleaver-- cool.


    Protein Skimmer "Red Sea Prizm" -- cool, I guess.

    live rock -- cool.

    Temperature-------------

    Heater "Ebo Jager" -- cool.

    Thermometers "Hagen"-- cool.

    Powerhead "Penguin" -- cool.

    Specific Gravity----------

    Artificial Sea Salt "Reef Crystals" -- I am told HW MarineMix and TropicMarin are the premeir salts.

    Hydrometer "Precision" -- cool, I guess.


    Other-------------------

    Small & Large Nets -- cool.

    Ick Treatment "Super Ick Cure" -- make sure it is for salt water ich, a whole different bug than freshwater ich.

    Bacterial Treatment "Melafix" -- cool, if safe for saltwater.

    Calcium "Reef Calcium" -- cool, I guess.

    Aqua Gloves -- you might find something cheaper but cool.

    Epoxy Stick -- cool, I guess.

    Filter Brush Kit -- cool -- no exposed metal, all plastic is best.

    I hope this helps. Where I put "I guess" I just didn't really know.

    Bobby

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    Hi Biggun,

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    Will you be using RO water to make your salt water or buying ready made salt water at the fishstore? You may not need this if you buy readymade water or even if you make your own as a good salt mix should take you where you need to go chemistry wise with the water. [/QUOTE]

    I might or might not use tap water depending on it's quality. If my tap water turns out to be unfit for aquarium use then I'll use either distilled or R/O water. I will test the water after I have added the salt. If it turns out that I do need pH In/Decreaser then I'll get some. It isn't all that expensive anyway.

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    Chlorine & Heavy Metal Remover "Stress Coat" -- If you use RO water to make your mix as is best or buy ready made salt water you won't need a chlorine remover except for emergencies maybe.[/QUOTE]

    As I said before, I'm not sure whether or not I will use my tap water. If I don't use tap water then I won't buy any "Stress Coat". It all depends on quality.

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    Bio Wheel Filter 330 -- Ok, here I would buy a Marineland Emperor 280, 400 or an Eclipse 3 top with built in filter, bio-wheel and double lights. The 330 is not strong enough for problem free biological filtration as it lacks a spray bar to turn the wheel with water. The Emperor is the way to go for just a filter or the Eclipse hood for lights and filter.[/QUOTE]

    The Emperor 400 was my second choice because it is similar to the Penguin 330 except larger. I don't think the Eclipse 3 would provide enough light for the corals I plan on keeping, but I do like the fact that it hides the lighting and filtration from view.

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    Combo Test Kit "Hagen" -- cool, make sure it's for salt water.[/QUOTE]

    It's for both.

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    Artificial Sea Salt "Reef Crystals" -- I am told HW MarineMix and TropicMarin are the premeir salts.[/QUOTE]

    OK, that's good because Marinemix is only three bucks more for the same amount.

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    Ick Treatment "Super Ick Cure" -- make sure it is for salt water ich, a whole different bug than freshwater ich.
    [/QUOTE]

    [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif[/img] I didn't read the fine print. It doesn't work on saltwater ick. So I'll get "Probiotic Marine" instead.

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    Bacterial Treatment "Melafix" -- cool, if safe for saltwater.[/QUOTE]

    It is.

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    Aqua Gloves -- you might find something cheaper but cool.[/QUOTE]

    I did find something cheaper, but I couldn't remember the name.


    Thanks,
    Mike [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif[/img]

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    Ive just read through this thread and thought I should respond, Im not sure how many people in this forum know this, but I used to work at a fish store specializing in just salt water aquariums, I then quit that job to go be the reef tank expert at another store and ended up working there until I finished college.

    I have set up and maintained many small reef aquariums ranging from a goldfish bowl full of mushroom anemones, zoanthids, and shrimp. This thrived until my coworkers got sick and tired of explaining to the customers why they couldnt due that at home! My favorite size reef aquarium is probably 10 gallons, the biggest problem I ever ran into was competition between the different corals, I was constantly pruning.

    My advise for setting up a small salt water aquarium is:
    -Keep it simple
    -Its easy to light up a small aquarium so use alot of light!
    I would use at least 8 watts per gallon
    -Start with purified water (ro) and a high quality salt mix
    -Use lots of high quality live rock (well cured)
    -lots of current (you want to see most corals really moving
    -forget the biological/mechanic filter, they are usuless here
    the live rock will provide all the necessary filtration
    -keep nitrates at 0 ppm (maybe up to 5ppm would be
    acceptable
    -and remove as much organics as possible, either through
    use of a skimmer, or in the case of a really small tank,
    large daily water chgs, most of the corals we keep in
    aquariums are very resistant to fluctuations in salinity
    and temperature caused by the tides, very few corals
    we keep in aquariums are actually collected from the
    outer reef......IMHO it wont hurt your corals to due a
    75% or larger water chg (certain exceptions do apply)
    and in my opinion they seem to due better when given
    large water chgs on a regular basis
    -the last super important thing is regular additions of
    trace elements and calcium etc.

    Now if all that is adhered to a small salt water aquarium should be really simple to maintain. But..you might be asking about fish? Generally speaking on the really small aquariums I would include none....on larger aquariums maybe one or 2, I would follow my keep the nitrates at 0 ppm rule on this!

    Personally I would never use an undergravel filter or biowheel filter on a saltwater aquarium, they may work short term but not long.

    Hope this helps!


    This is part of a 5 gallon reef aquarium

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    do you mean mushroom corals? I think they are the same thing. they look almost exactly the same [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/alien.gif[/img]

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    do you mean mushroom corals? I think they are the same thing. they look almost exactly the same [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/alien.gif[/img]
    edit: nevermind, mixed two corals up

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    mushroom anemones = Corallimorpharia

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